Trackday video from Thunderhill
03-28-2012, 09:22 PM
#31
Three Wheelin'
Racing is like golf, good days and not so good. That is the challenge that makes us come back again and again, so any day at the track is a good day!
We are driven by challenges!
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03-28-2012, 11:46 PM
#32
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Thanks!
I'm not disputing anything you're saying, but doesn't the presence of an airbag negate some of these concerns? Airbags lower the rate of cervical spine injuries, which is what we are worried about here when using a HANS. If I had a pure race car with no airbags, that would be a different story altogether.
Keep in mind here, that I'm just there to have fun. I don't compete, I don't do open passing. I'm still running street tires! I just think I'd look kind of silly showing up to an HPDE (I don't race) with a HANS device wearing a t-shirt underneath. Now I need to get a race suit? Now I look even more dumb than I usually do at an HPDE.
The 6point was purchased to lock me into the seat better so I don't have to fight against the G-forces and make my driving easier. Besides, those pass throughs built into the sport buckets demanded to be used.
I'm not disputing anything you're saying, but doesn't the presence of an airbag negate some of these concerns? Airbags lower the rate of cervical spine injuries, which is what we are worried about here when using a HANS. If I had a pure race car with no airbags, that would be a different story altogether.
Keep in mind here, that I'm just there to have fun. I don't compete, I don't do open passing. I'm still running street tires! I just think I'd look kind of silly showing up to an HPDE (I don't race) with a HANS device wearing a t-shirt underneath. Now I need to get a race suit? Now I look even more dumb than I usually do at an HPDE.
The 6point was purchased to lock me into the seat better so I don't have to fight against the G-forces and make my driving easier. Besides, those pass throughs built into the sport buckets demanded to be used.
Not to beat a dead horse and derail your thread, but lithium's points are very valid. Your head and neck don't care if you're running a casual DE or racing in LeMans; a frontal impact at speed can paralyze or kill you regardless. Wearing a harness without a HANS is just a bad idea.
BTW, you an orthopod?
03-28-2012, 11:52 PM
#33
Nordschleife Master
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03-29-2012, 12:07 AM
#34
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03-29-2012, 12:56 AM
#36
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Joe -
I spoke at length with the guys at Schroth about shoulder belt positions and HANS. They stated that if the shoulder belts were NOT mounted between 0-20 degrees below the shoulders (with a clear pass through the seat backs) or had a guide bar below the shoulders with a floor mount point a HANS would actually exacerbate the problem. They put over 3 months into engineering of any potential change e.g., a harness cross bar (which requires a 6,000 lb load) so I have confidence that what products they offer and what advice they provide is well founded...
I spoke at length with the guys at Schroth about shoulder belt positions and HANS. They stated that if the shoulder belts were NOT mounted between 0-20 degrees below the shoulders (with a clear pass through the seat backs) or had a guide bar below the shoulders with a floor mount point a HANS would actually exacerbate the problem. They put over 3 months into engineering of any potential change e.g., a harness cross bar (which requires a 6,000 lb load) so I have confidence that what products they offer and what advice they provide is well founded...
03-29-2012, 01:46 AM
#37
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Front view: http://youtu.be/yOiFU-uHkoQ
Rear view: http://youtu.be/n8gWMlZmn18 (only last few seconds are relevant, there was no one behind me)
And something dicing it up from Thunderhill last summer.
03-29-2012, 02:01 AM
#38
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^^Jeez. Hopefully you're all in one piece. What happened to the car?
03-29-2012, 02:08 AM
#39
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03-29-2012, 04:41 AM
#40
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
Joe -
I spoke at length with the guys at Schroth about shoulder belt positions and HANS. They stated that if the shoulder belts were NOT mounted between 0-20 degrees below the shoulders (with a clear pass through the seat backs) or had a guide bar below the shoulders with a floor mount point a HANS would actually exacerbate the problem. They put over 3 months into engineering of any potential change e.g., a harness cross bar (which requires a 6,000 lb load) so I have confidence that what products they offer and what advice they provide is well founded...
I spoke at length with the guys at Schroth about shoulder belt positions and HANS. They stated that if the shoulder belts were NOT mounted between 0-20 degrees below the shoulders (with a clear pass through the seat backs) or had a guide bar below the shoulders with a floor mount point a HANS would actually exacerbate the problem. They put over 3 months into engineering of any potential change e.g., a harness cross bar (which requires a 6,000 lb load) so I have confidence that what products they offer and what advice they provide is well founded...
03-29-2012, 09:19 AM
#41
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Yes, that is exactly what Schroth told me.
