Cayman S vs Exige C&D Article
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Originally Posted by LastGT3
pstoppani - yep that Z06 is a brute, but is 500hp unique today given 500hp audis and bmw's.
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You are absolutely correct - we are expecting more in our sports cars as the standards for performance have risen in the past 10 years. It just not competitive to have sub-300hp and handling - we need both to be truly a player with whats now offered with 500hp and handling.
Fit and finish was a criterion but now is a given thanks to the civic.
I think this better for all of us and just makes us very luck to have access (or potential access) to a lot really great cars).
It used to be there really was only porsche, but the other (read GM) is now in the show..and now they have to perform at the track - I cannot wait to see how well they do first hand. If they are as good as they should be, it definitely will put pressure on all PAG cars re US pricing, and may in fact take away sales that are attributable to enthusiasts vs image-poseurs. The new 997GT3 better not get passed by a Z06-lackey...I am sure PAG has already accounted for this.
Fit and finish was a criterion but now is a given thanks to the civic.
I think this better for all of us and just makes us very luck to have access (or potential access) to a lot really great cars).
It used to be there really was only porsche, but the other (read GM) is now in the show..and now they have to perform at the track - I cannot wait to see how well they do first hand. If they are as good as they should be, it definitely will put pressure on all PAG cars re US pricing, and may in fact take away sales that are attributable to enthusiasts vs image-poseurs. The new 997GT3 better not get passed by a Z06-lackey...I am sure PAG has already accounted for this.
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Originally Posted by pstoppani
I also love how nothing ever seems to wear out (tires, brakes, etc) due its light weight.
I'd love to see more market focus on the dedicated track cars, not high powered (and high $) street cars. I've had the hots for a GT3, but the thought of balling up a car in that price range scares me away. If Porsche could build a stripper version of the Cayman with the emphasis on light weight, minimal creature comforts and low cost I'd jump all over it.
I got a call from a friend recently raving about how a new car he had just driven was more fun than any Porsche, Ferrari, or any other car he had ever driven. Lotus Elise.
Maybe it's the old age talking, but there's nowhere to use 500 HP on the street. Give me a toy that's fun and competitive on the track, and I'll be content to drive my tow vehicle on the street!
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Originally Posted by m3bs
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I got a call from a friend recently raving about how a new car he had just driven was more fun than any Porsche, Ferrari, or any other car he had ever driven. Lotus Elise.
Maybe it's the old age talking, but there's nowhere to use 500 HP on the street. Give me a toy that's fun and competitive on the track, and I'll be content to drive my tow vehicle on the street!
I got a call from a friend recently raving about how a new car he had just driven was more fun than any Porsche, Ferrari, or any other car he had ever driven. Lotus Elise.
Maybe it's the old age talking, but there's nowhere to use 500 HP on the street. Give me a toy that's fun and competitive on the track, and I'll be content to drive my tow vehicle on the street!
The Cayman is fantastic from my brief test drive, but for 65K, I'd rather have an Elise and the new 2.0T VW GTI for every day street driving. Of course an Elise or Exige and a Cayman would be even better if I had the $.
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m3bs - A word of caution, don't drive the Elise unless you are ready to give up the M3 because once you've driven an Elise, especially on a track, you will find that most all other cars seem/feel like a mini-van. That is how my '05 M3 started to feel... it is gone now... I traded it for the Cayman so I could have a less-mini-van-like daily driver
For me, the Elise is easily the funnest track car that I've driven... However, I enjoy the Cayman off the track more. I'll find out in about a week how much I like the Cayman on the track. I'm expecting it will be very fun since I had a Boxster S for a couple of years and it was the funnest on track until I got the Elise.
Realise that the Cayman was on street tires in that test; on R-compounds it would be considerably faster (closer if not faster than your M3) and a hoot to drive
For me, the Elise is easily the funnest track car that I've driven... However, I enjoy the Cayman off the track more. I'll find out in about a week how much I like the Cayman on the track. I'm expecting it will be very fun since I had a Boxster S for a couple of years and it was the funnest on track until I got the Elise.
Realise that the Cayman was on street tires in that test; on R-compounds it would be considerably faster (closer if not faster than your M3) and a hoot to drive
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[QUOTE=pstoppani]m3bs - A word of caution, don't drive the Elise unless you are ready to give up the M3 because once you've driven an Elise, especially on a track, you will find that most all other cars seem/feel like a mini-van. That is how my '05 M3 started to feel... it is gone now... I traded it for the Cayman so I could have a less-mini-van-like daily driver
other than e30m3, the other two always felt like mini van, even the one i gutted and installed moton on. ok, it's a faster mini van.
other than e30m3, the other two always felt like mini van, even the one i gutted and installed moton on. ok, it's a faster mini van.