Cayman S vs Exige C&D Article
#31
I just read that R&T cayman exige test - this months.
My conclusion, the cayman needs power and torque primarily which means displacement.
I think the fixation on weight is reasonably well-placed, but despite its obvious weight disadvantage, an both 10.2 lbs/hp, the cayman was faster..reason, the exisge needs an cayman s motor.
Sorry about the kit-car jibes...since nearly all carss aree "kitted" from many suppliers (eg Brembo), I didn't think it evoke a response but encourage debate on the issue. In any case, The egige doesnt have the motor it needs to do as well as it should with its low weight...so it was 2 sec slower on that test. Give it a reliable 6 and it will do far better.
However, that being said, I do note that its fit/finish for a street car were sub-cayman for abou the same dough. And obviously, if the motor issue/power is addressed, the Exige will not be a bargain next to a CyamanS.
My conclusion, the cayman needs power and torque primarily which means displacement.
I think the fixation on weight is reasonably well-placed, but despite its obvious weight disadvantage, an both 10.2 lbs/hp, the cayman was faster..reason, the exisge needs an cayman s motor.
Sorry about the kit-car jibes...since nearly all carss aree "kitted" from many suppliers (eg Brembo), I didn't think it evoke a response but encourage debate on the issue. In any case, The egige doesnt have the motor it needs to do as well as it should with its low weight...so it was 2 sec slower on that test. Give it a reliable 6 and it will do far better.
However, that being said, I do note that its fit/finish for a street car were sub-cayman for abou the same dough. And obviously, if the motor issue/power is addressed, the Exige will not be a bargain next to a CyamanS.
#32
A correction (among many and give me a spellchecker please)
"My conclusion, the EXIGE (not CaymanS) needs more power and torque which means displacement."
Please forgive my coffee induced speed typos - (I need the winter over nowwwww).
"My conclusion, the EXIGE (not CaymanS) needs more power and torque which means displacement."
Please forgive my coffee induced speed typos - (I need the winter over nowwwww).
#33
Originally Posted by LastGT3
I just read that R&T cayman exige test - this months.
My conclusion, the Exige needs power and torque primarily which means displacement.
My conclusion, the Exige needs power and torque primarily which means displacement.
Originally Posted by LastGT3
I think the fixation on weight is reasonably well-placed, but despite its obvious weight disadvantage, an both 10.2 lbs/hp, the cayman was faster..reason, the exige needs an cayman s motor. The Exige doesnt have the motor it needs to do as well as it should with its low weight...so it was 2 sec slower on that test. Give it a reliable 6 and it will do far better.
Originally Posted by LastGT3
However, that being said, I do note that its fit/finish for a street car were sub-cayman for abou the same dough. And obviously, if the motor issue/power is addressed, the Exige will not be a bargain next to a CyamanS.
Exige: base price $52K, fully loaded $59K
Cayman: base price $59K, fully loaded $100K+
#34
Originally Posted by MickOpalak
Cayman: base price $59K, fully loaded $100K+
#35
Agreed...however, how much will the Exige S be here in the USA?
Again, just think that the right car to compare to an exige is an Atom not a Cayman either price, finishings, and weight.
An atom to me is a true light weight - a sportbike with 4 tires - what did TopGear think of that puppy (with the 300 hp RSX motor). Nice.
Again, just think that the right car to compare to an exige is an Atom not a Cayman either price, finishings, and weight.
An atom to me is a true light weight - a sportbike with 4 tires - what did TopGear think of that puppy (with the 300 hp RSX motor). Nice.
#36
Originally Posted by Doug&Julie
Huh? When my bro bought his, most were "loaded" and around $70k. The car can easily be had for the mid $60s. Still not cheap, of course, but nowhere near $100k.
Here's what I meant: Go to the official Porsche website, select Build My Porsche, select Cayman S and select every option you can (fully loaded). It comes out quite a bit over $100K.
#37
Originally Posted by LastGT3
Agreed...however, how much will the Exige S be here in the USA?
Originally Posted by LastGT3
Again, just think that the right car to compare to an exige is an Atom not a Cayman either price, finishings, and weight.
#38
Originally Posted by MickOpalak
Here's what I meant: Go to the official Porsche website, select Build My Porsche, select Cayman S and select every option you can (fully loaded). It comes out quite a bit over $100K.
#39
Originally Posted by Doug&Julie
Ah, yes...well, Porsche caters to those that have the money to spend.
Originally Posted by Doug&Julie
But, realistically, a "loaded" Cayman S is around $70k.
Whose to say what's loaded and what's not?
#40
Depends on your priorities. IMHO, the Exige is a superb track car & an awful street car. The Cayman S is a superb street car & a capable track car. Different tools picked by intelligent buyers for different tasks. This thread started wasting bandwidth a while back.
BTW, Mick, is there anything besides the Exige that interests you in the Cayman Forum? Perhaps it's time to expand your focus.
BTW, Mick, is there anything besides the Exige that interests you in the Cayman Forum? Perhaps it's time to expand your focus.
#41
Originally Posted by Dan 96C2 St.Louis
BTW, Mick, is there anything besides the Exige that interests you in the Cayman Forum? Perhaps it's time to expand your focus.
#42
For me, the Elise and Exige are pure track/weekend toys. I've had my Elise for over a year and have had zero interest in driving it on the street.
The Cayman (and Boxster) are superb sports cars that I find much more hospitable and practical as daily drivers. They also make great track cars. Before I got the Elise I had a 2000 Boxster S which was very fun and quick; I could keep up with a S1 Elise 190 Sport driven by a very capable driver.
Howerever, the Elise is the funner track car for me. It isn't faster, but definitely funner. I also love how nothing ever seems to wear out (tires, brakes, etc) due its light weight. Well, it is funner than the 2000 Boxster S, I don't know yet how it will compare with the Cayman S. So far, joy rides in the country have been very fun in the Cayman...
I actually agree with the kit car comment; when comparing build quality, materials quality and fit and finish, the Elise definitely looks and feels like a high quality kit car compared to either the Cayman or Boxster. You give up quite a bit of these quality aspects to achieve such a low weight.
In the end, I love them both for what they are... two fine toys
The Cayman (and Boxster) are superb sports cars that I find much more hospitable and practical as daily drivers. They also make great track cars. Before I got the Elise I had a 2000 Boxster S which was very fun and quick; I could keep up with a S1 Elise 190 Sport driven by a very capable driver.
Howerever, the Elise is the funner track car for me. It isn't faster, but definitely funner. I also love how nothing ever seems to wear out (tires, brakes, etc) due its light weight. Well, it is funner than the 2000 Boxster S, I don't know yet how it will compare with the Cayman S. So far, joy rides in the country have been very fun in the Cayman...
I actually agree with the kit car comment; when comparing build quality, materials quality and fit and finish, the Elise definitely looks and feels like a high quality kit car compared to either the Cayman or Boxster. You give up quite a bit of these quality aspects to achieve such a low weight.
In the end, I love them both for what they are... two fine toys
#43
Originally Posted by pstoppani
For me, the Elise and Exige are pure track/weekend toys. I've had my Elise for over a year and have had zero interest in driving it on the street.
Originally Posted by pstoppani
The Cayman (and Boxster) are superb sports cars that I find much more hospitable and practical as daily drivers.
Originally Posted by pstoppani
Howerever, the Elise is the funner track car for me. It isn't faster, but definitely funner.
Originally Posted by pstoppani
I actually agree with the kit car comment; when comparing build quality, materials quality and fit and finish, the Elise definitely looks and feels like a high quality kit car compared to either the Cayman or Boxster. You give up quite a bit of these quality aspects to achieve such a low weight.
#44
I'm referring to the fit, finish and quality of materials and the durability. This is the first car that I've owned where bolts come loose and fall off, mud flaps fall off, gear lever breaks in your hand while shifting, rattles and buzzes, interior bits come loose because the are simply velcro'd together and the glue lost its grip only after a couple of months, body panels have ripples from the fiber-glass molds, the trunk leaks, etc. And it isn't like I own an exception; a quick search at elisetalk.com will show that these are common aspect of Elise ownership. Of course you don't read about any of this in the reviews...
I love the Elise, but in terms of quality, it is quite below my expectations of a $40K to $50K car. Fortunately, I love it enough as a track toy that I can overlook its low quality aspects.
I love the Elise, but in terms of quality, it is quite below my expectations of a $40K to $50K car. Fortunately, I love it enough as a track toy that I can overlook its low quality aspects.
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he most expensive one at our dealership was $75k.
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i saw one in person, non metallic, for 81k.
to each his own, i would pay a premium if pcna allowed me to rip off some of the things that came as standard in my car.
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i saw one in person, non metallic, for 81k.
to each his own, i would pay a premium if pcna allowed me to rip off some of the things that came as standard in my car.