Argggh! Broken plug
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I wouldn’t mind pulling the engine if I had the equipment to do it. No lift, working off jack stands. None of my friends have a lift either. I’m too old to invest $$$$ in a lift and screw around dropping an engine to remove a $12.00 spark plug. I sent PCNA a letter explaining the issue I’m having and what in my opinion is a poor engineering design for changing plugs. Extensions, universal joints, wonky way to remove/install plugs. I wasn’t expecting anything from them, just wanted them to know how I felt about their design. They responded, asking me to take it to a Porsche dealership for evaluation and they MAY help with some labor cost. Called dealership, no love there. They have one mechanic there and are booked into August. PCNA e-mailed me back stating I was not a regular customer of the dealership and therefore would not help. No ****, I wasn’t expecting anything from them anyway. With all the problems Porsche has with d chunk cylinders, cylinder scoring, ims, rms issues, Aos, water pump impellers breaking, coolant lines coming unglued, on an on. For a car that cost over $60K new, it shouldn’t have any problems at all. My wife’s 2016 Volvo XC70 with just over 100K miles has been great. New pads and rotors this spring, plugs, and oil changes over a 6 year period. No major issues. Not so with this Porsche. Anyway, I’ll keep on keepin on. Keep you all posted…
p.s. RE: the Volvo XC70 - If it's the T5, they're known to have tensioner failure which takes out the timing belt... That of course, destroys the engine. Yep, that right, a $30 belt can take out a $7K engine. At 100K miles, you need to have it changed out asap.
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It's such a shame that often the most expensive consumer and professional items (cars, watches, audio equipment) are the least reliable. Now, I'm not saying that's a rule. But in my professional life as a cinematographer, my most expensive trouble came from my $90K Arriflex camera (also made with "Legendary German Engineering" like Porsche) the $16K Canon and $30K Red cameras? Hammer nails all day.
However, don't give up yet!
As jscott indicated, you may want to get the engine on a stand to really be in the best position for success.
Easy for me to say; I have never pulled an engine, in full disclosure.
Anyway, we are rooting for you.
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However, don't give up yet!
As jscott indicated, you may want to get the engine on a stand to really be in the best position for success.
Easy for me to say; I have never pulled an engine, in full disclosure.
Anyway, we are rooting for you.
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Had a 16mm ARRI back in the day... But our preferred cameras are now the Canon C300 Mark III and Panasonic VariCam LT with a set of primes and a Canon S35mm Zoom. Personally, a lot of the pull to have ARRI on set comes from the establishment, but the images off these newer Canon C300 digital cinema cameras are just amazing. I have many relics in my collection - Sony Betacam SX, Digital Betacam, Betacam SP, Panasonic DVCPRO, MiniDV, even had some pro VHS and SVHS stuff. hahaha I've had a buttload of lenses too. Some of my favorites were from Angenieux. Still have quite a few Canon and Fujinon lenses in my collection. Still use ARRI lites btw... they're still working strong after 25 years. Even have the new LED versions. ![thumbup](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/thumbup.gif)
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I've had all of those and more. SR1, SR2, SR3. Panny SDX900 and HDX900. Sony F3. Sony F55. C300 M2. Red One. Red Epic. Red Dragon. Red Helium. Original Alexa. Mini. Amira. Now Mini-LF. Let's not even talk lenses, I've probably bought, sold and traded a million dollars over the years. I love it all despite the challenges.
I love my my C300 M3 most of all.
I agree that the difference in imaging and sensors is so small now to hardly matter. But- I've had a lot of financial success sub-renting to various rental houses, long term leases on shows, etc. and they only want one thing: Arri. I pay the vig every year to have it under "extended warranty". After you've had the equivalent of a 986 IMS bearing failure, just out of warranty (i.e. sensor failure) and those Germans say, "sorry, zees sings happen sometimes, jah?" and you fork over $20K, it opens your eyes a bit.
Sorry for the detour into camera nerd land, Gotta996. I agree with you that it's poor design, but I also agree with the others (and you as well I suspect) that you're basically on your own here.
Frustrating as hell.
Are you going to try again with the timesert kit?
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PS- as long as the OP brought up Volvo, I'll bring up Honda. I get it, the folks here don't want to hear about plasticky cars with gutless engines. But I have had a few, and they look and run showroon after 100K and beyond. I usually keep them until 200K. Bulletproof. Yes, timing belt/ water pump. But otherwise, it's just fluids, plugs, and pads. Great for a daily driver. I'd have to be Thurston Howell III to daily drive anything Porsche makes. Yet, in my neck, I she boatloads of Cayennes, 911 variants, Boxsters, Taycans, you name it. Car life is fascinating to me.
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U-m-m-m-m this isn't a PCNA issue...It's your issue because a previous owner you purchased the car from didn't service the car correctly....And because you purchased the car, it's now your issue and no one else's. To your credit, you've done everything possible, BUT your situation is a common one in the DIY world....Jump in to do a simple job so you can save a few bucks and the next thing you know you're deep in Ka-ka...If you had taken this to a shop to begin with, this would be their problem and not yours (And probably resolved within a day of it happening)...I don't know what the solution is, but writing to PCNA expecting help about your perception of design issues on a car as old as yours was kinda silly....
This is not the fault of Porsche, PCNA, Trump or George Soros. It's the previous owner's fault.
And car mechanics love fixing other people's mistake especially when it's a DIY...
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Another "film guy"! I knew I like you for a reason besides M96 lore ![Wink](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
I've had all of those and more. SR1, SR2, SR3. Panny SDX900 and HDX900. Sony F3. Sony F55. C300 M2. Red One. Red Epic. Red Dragon. Red Helium. Original Alexa. Mini. Amira. Now Mini-LF. Let's not even talk lenses, I've probably bought, sold and traded a million dollars over the years. I love it all despite the challenges.
I love my my C300 M3 most of all.
I agree that the difference in imaging and sensors is so small now to hardly matter. But- I've had a lot of financial success sub-renting to various rental houses, long term leases on shows, etc. and they only want one thing: Arri. I pay the vig every year to have it under "extended warranty". After you've had the equivalent of a 986 IMS bearing failure, just out of warranty (i.e. sensor failure) and those Germans say, "sorry, zees sings happen sometimes, jah?" and you fork over $20K, it opens your eyes a bit.
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I've had all of those and more. SR1, SR2, SR3. Panny SDX900 and HDX900. Sony F3. Sony F55. C300 M2. Red One. Red Epic. Red Dragon. Red Helium. Original Alexa. Mini. Amira. Now Mini-LF. Let's not even talk lenses, I've probably bought, sold and traded a million dollars over the years. I love it all despite the challenges.
I love my my C300 M3 most of all.
I agree that the difference in imaging and sensors is so small now to hardly matter. But- I've had a lot of financial success sub-renting to various rental houses, long term leases on shows, etc. and they only want one thing: Arri. I pay the vig every year to have it under "extended warranty". After you've had the equivalent of a 986 IMS bearing failure, just out of warranty (i.e. sensor failure) and those Germans say, "sorry, zees sings happen sometimes, jah?" and you fork over $20K, it opens your eyes a bit.
There used to be a super wide gap between the professional stuff and consumer/prosumer level cameras. Now, people can shoot 4K and produce darn good images on their iPhones. Crazy times! But the average person will never understand professional acquisition. They will never understand why we spend thousands on lenses and want great cameras with endless control over the recorded image. They will never understand concepts like shallow depth of field, shuttle angle, cranking, ISO, and why you need "fast lenses" and S35mm sensors.
RE: ARRI - it reminds me of the 90s and early 2000s when the standard for pro monitors was Sony Trinitron. If you had a studio or showed up for a shoot, you had to be using those top end Sony BVM or PVM monitors. Panasonic and Ikegami made great monitors, but they weren't square or flat like the Sonys. So, you didn't show up with anything else.
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All very true. I kinda have to eek out a few more years and get our youngest through college, and I can move away from needing to deal with the gap between what clients expect and the $$$ they have... and yes, sometimes I see something on social media obviously shot with a phone and think to myself "I'm not sure I could improve on that"...
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Terry,
again, not expecting any help from Porsche, just frustrated with what I consider a poor design, and expressing my opinion. Of course the p.o. dropped the ball on maintenance and I’m the recipient of his failure to maintain the car properly. I’m still considering options for repairs and whatever avenue I pursue, it will be done correctly, including dropping the engine, removing the head if necessary to install a timesert.
b3 freak; Volvo XC70 has a T6 engine, no belt, chain drive. My C30 and C70 had the T5 engine, belt drive. I changed the C30 belt at 80K miles, not a bad job, but time consuming.
Not many decent Porsche repair shops in my area. Dealer is booked solid till August. The central NY area doesn’t have an abundance of Porsches. Seldom see one on the road in my neck of the woods. My friend got rolled over pretty good to the tune of over $3K for simple repairs on his 365 coupe.
That repair shop is a no go for me. The Indy shop I wanted to use is too busy to handle R&R the engine as he’s a one man shop. Even if he decided to do the work I imagine the car will be tied up quite a while as it would be done between other work he has scheduled.
again, not expecting any help from Porsche, just frustrated with what I consider a poor design, and expressing my opinion. Of course the p.o. dropped the ball on maintenance and I’m the recipient of his failure to maintain the car properly. I’m still considering options for repairs and whatever avenue I pursue, it will be done correctly, including dropping the engine, removing the head if necessary to install a timesert.
b3 freak; Volvo XC70 has a T6 engine, no belt, chain drive. My C30 and C70 had the T5 engine, belt drive. I changed the C30 belt at 80K miles, not a bad job, but time consuming.
Not many decent Porsche repair shops in my area. Dealer is booked solid till August. The central NY area doesn’t have an abundance of Porsches. Seldom see one on the road in my neck of the woods. My friend got rolled over pretty good to the tune of over $3K for simple repairs on his 365 coupe.
That repair shop is a no go for me. The Indy shop I wanted to use is too busy to handle R&R the engine as he’s a one man shop. Even if he decided to do the work I imagine the car will be tied up quite a while as it would be done between other work he has scheduled.
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Also on your side, hoping you get this sorted out. I will say though that I think the Cayman is fairly well desiged for maintenance. Flat engines are always tough to package and spark plugs can be a nightmare. Cars like the Subaru BRZ that my son owns say to remove the engine from the mounts and jack it up to change the plugs. That sounds worse than the wobbly bits and extensions to get the front plugs on the 987. I used to own an SW20, hose from hell and hose from hell on Earth anyone?
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None taken Terry. I appreciate and understand your position. I’m just tired and frustrated with this nonsense. My friend has a 4 post lift, lives about 50 miles from me, good mechanic. I’m gonna call him on Monday and see what he thinks. He’s always up for a challenge and may help me out if engine has to come out. I think he has a car hauler too, otherwise I’ll have to flat bed it to his place.
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Also on your side, hoping you get this sorted out. I will say though that I think the Cayman is fairly well desiged for maintenance. Flat engines are always tough to package and spark plugs can be a nightmare. Cars like the Subaru BRZ that my son owns say to remove the engine from the mounts and jack it up to change the plugs. That sounds worse than the wobbly bits and extensions to get the front plugs on the 987. I used to own an SW20, hose from hell and hose from hell on Earth anyone? ![Wink](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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Except for IMS (which I paid $15k for a reman M96 motor from Porsche thank you very much), Porsches are not poorly engineered.
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None taken Terry. I appreciate and understand your position. I’m just tired and frustrated with this nonsense. My friend has a 4 post lift, lives about 50 miles from me, good mechanic. I’m gonna call him on Monday and see what he thinks. He’s always up for a challenge and may help me out if engine has to come out. I think he has a car hauler too, otherwise I’ll have to flat bed it to his place.
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One would hope a shop would have some magic for a thing like this 🤷♂️
I was rebuilding 968M030 calipers on the CR car, could not get these little screws out that held the end plate hardware. YouTube videos, forum chats, got them glowing with a torch… I tried everything.
Called my shop and asked if they could help, “sure, bring ‘em bye”. Took them five minutes to dislodge the loctite-bound little suckers on all calipers. The magic was a good strike in the direction of unscrew with a cold chisel and a hammer.
They’d obviously been to the rodeo before.
Anyway, sorry this one is being so frustrating. I hope this resolves for you soon.
I was rebuilding 968M030 calipers on the CR car, could not get these little screws out that held the end plate hardware. YouTube videos, forum chats, got them glowing with a torch… I tried everything.
Called my shop and asked if they could help, “sure, bring ‘em bye”. Took them five minutes to dislodge the loctite-bound little suckers on all calipers. The magic was a good strike in the direction of unscrew with a cold chisel and a hammer.
They’d obviously been to the rodeo before.
Anyway, sorry this one is being so frustrating. I hope this resolves for you soon.
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If you end up pulling the engine and head, I have done that, and it obviously takes time but isn't that bad. It sounds like you will be more than capable of it. I have a cam timing set for the 9A1 that you can borrow if you need it.
It seems like you car may be a base, in which case this advice isn't relevant, but if you have an S with the DFI engine I would advise to be careful with the injectors, and if you remove them, be prepared to replace them. Last time I did it, four of six injectors were seized in the heads, and I couldn't get them out without destroying them.
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It seems like you car may be a base, in which case this advice isn't relevant, but if you have an S with the DFI engine I would advise to be careful with the injectors, and if you remove them, be prepared to replace them. Last time I did it, four of six injectors were seized in the heads, and I couldn't get them out without destroying them.
Tim