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Old 03-22-2019, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by robcut1 View Post
To me, the fatal crash is very upsetting not only for the driver and his family but what it could mean for owners if Porsche sees it as an isolated incident and does not implement changes to help prevent other people from suffering the same catastrophe. If this prototype represents 10% of all the prototypes, does that mean 10% of future owners are at risk statistically? Being so close to release and such a limited volume car to begin with, Porsche might not be so inclined to make substantial changes before releasing the car. Some things would be easy fixes, earlier implementation of stability control even in track mode, wider track (tires), lower suspension (and the center of gravity)? Other things more difficult. Did the rear roll hoops hold up, did the front a pillar deform, has the extra weight of the 6 cylinder engine been sufficiently accounted for (additional rear weight reduction measures while potentially requiring additional weight in the front for proper balance, etc.?


There's nothing a car can do if the driver fails to drive safely. No car will save you from certain types of accidents, and this one appears to involve excessive speed on a wet roadway. Reading into this situation that there is a problem with the car is a massive overreach.

And anyone who thinks those little roll hoops are going to save them in a high speed rollover accident is fooling themself.
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Old 03-22-2019, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes View Post
There's nothing a car can do if the driver fails to drive safely. No car will save you from certain types of accidents, and this one appears to involve excessive speed on a wet roadway. Reading into this situation that there is a problem with the car is a massive overreach.

And anyone who think those little roll hoops are going to save you in a high speed rollover accident are fooling themselves.
+1, it's a car. Even Porsches have to obey the laws of physics.
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Old 03-22-2019, 07:37 PM
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And, fundamentally, it’s the same package as the 981 Spyder and all 981/982 Boxsters soooooo, drive to the conditions.
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Old 03-22-2019, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes View Post
There's nothing a car can do if the driver fails to drive safely. No car will save you from certain types of accidents, and this one appears to involve excessive speed on a wet roadway. Reading into this situation that there is a problem with the car is a massive overreach.

And anyone who thinks those little roll hoops are going to save them in a high speed rollover accident is fooling themself.
I like your allusion to the implied invincibility of Porsches. Being someone who raced in the dinosaur days, I can attest to the fact that a Porsche of today is far safer than cars even a decade ago, but they don't provide 100% safety. Moreover, we don't even know if the driver disabled safety devices like stability management in order to explore the capabilities of the car. Bottom line is that the cause of this accident is far more likely to be because of driver error or tires not suitable for high speed driving on wet roads, rather than a deficiency in the GT4.
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:05 AM
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Wow, it sounds like everyone believes that the driver was reckless and the car had little or nothing to do with it. This person wasnít a 1950ís rock star driving too fast on California coastal hwy 1, this was a highly trained professional driver whose sole responsibility is to drive cars to their limits on a regular basis. If he couldnít keep it together under adverse conditions, good luck to the rest of you mortals unless Porsche implements changes as suggested by this outcome.
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Old 03-23-2019, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by robcut1
Wow, it sounds like everyone believes that the driver was reckless and the car had little or nothing to do with it. This person wasnít a 1950ís rock star driving too fast on California coastal hwy 1, this was a highly trained professional driver whose sole responsibility is to drive cars to their limits on a regular basis. If he couldnít keep it together under adverse conditions, good luck to the rest of you mortals unless Porsche implements changes as suggested by this outcome.
These drivers are not race car drivers nor ever usually have a racing license. Unless his name has came out to say other wise I would not think this. I know a couple of people that work for very large German car makers that take test cars out all the time for various testing. Non of them are race car drivers or have a racing license. They are just engineers developing the car. Now they do go through some driving courses but nothing very intensive. No matter the cause I feel for his family.
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Old 03-23-2019, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by robcut1 View Post
Wow, it sounds like everyone believes that the driver was reckless and the car had little or nothing to do with it. This person wasnít a 1950ís rock star driving too fast on California coastal hwy 1, this was a highly trained professional driver whose sole responsibility is to drive cars to their limits on a regular basis. If he couldnít keep it together under adverse conditions, good luck to the rest of you mortals unless Porsche implements changes as suggested by this outcome.
You better rerread the posts since no one stated that the driver was at fault. What was stated was that the driver may have been at fault based on the report that the car was being driven at high speed on a wet road.
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Old 03-23-2019, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by fast1 View Post
You better rerread the posts since no one stated that the driver was at fault. What was stated was that the driver may have been at fault based on the report that the car was being driven at high speed on a wet road.
This is a sobering reminder that no matter how well engineered the car and no matter how skilled we may think we are as drivers, safety must come first when on the road. We are all responsible for our own lives and those with whom we share the road. When the conditions are poor, if in doubt, donít go out.

We do a disservice to the driver who lost his life and to Porsche, too, by jumping to any conclusions about this crash prematurely.
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Old 03-23-2019, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by robcut1 View Post
Wow, it sounds like everyone believes that the driver was reckless and the car had little or nothing to do with it. This person wasnít a 1950ís rock star driving too fast on California coastal hwy 1, this was a highly trained professional driver whose sole responsibility is to drive cars to their limits on a regular basis. If he couldnít keep it together under adverse conditions, good luck to the rest of you mortals unless Porsche implements changes as suggested by this outcome.
Rob, I don't think any of us are ruling out a mechanical failure as a possible cause because, frankly, none of us knows for sure, but it's your absolute certainty that the car did fail in some way that leaves us scratching our heads.

Even professional drivers are not infallible and, has been correctly pointed out, we don't know if the driver here was simply an engineer. Watch a race on TV and you're bound to see shunts, run offs and collisions due to unforced driver errors and these are in the most optimal and ideal of track settings where there is plenty of run off areas, perfect pavement, great lighting, and other highly skilled drivers behind the wheel of specially prepared cars. Mistakes can and do happen by the very best of drivers even in these very best of conditions. Now, move from the track to the street where the conditions are far less optimal (i.e., potholes, animals that can wonder on to the road, poor lighting, poor drainage, other drivers that are not skilled driving cars that are not properly maintained, etc., etc.) and the odds of an accident occurring due to factors other than mechanical failure rise exponentially.

Bottom line: you can't rule out driver error, plus it really doesn't have to be just one or the other, driver error OR mechanical failure. It could have been a deer or a moose was on the road and the poor guy tried best he could to avoid it. It could have been another driver cut into his lane and he tried to avoid that car. It could have been 100 things that weren't the driver's fault, but weren't the fault of the car, either. You can't just surmise based on the limited info available that the car was absolutely to blame.
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Old 03-23-2019, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by robcut1 View Post
Wow, it sounds like everyone believes that the driver was reckless and the car had little or nothing to do with it. This person wasnít a 1950ís rock star driving too fast on California coastal hwy 1, this was a highly trained professional driver whose sole responsibility is to drive cars.
No we just donít agree with your conclusion that it was the car or your goofy math.

You do know that even highly trained drivers wreck cars all the time, right?
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Old 03-23-2019, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by robcut1 View Post
This person wasnít a 1950ís rock star driving too fast on California coastal hwy 1
In an effort to keep to facts, if your referring to James Dean his accident was 55 miles inland on Highway 41. BTW if you ever pass through, stop at the Jack Ranch Cafe.


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Old 03-23-2019, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by il pirata View Post
In an effort to keep to facts, if your referring to James Dean his accident was 55 miles inland on Highway 41. BTW if you ever pass through, stop at the Jack Ranch Cafe.
Although primarily an actor, Dean had a reputation as an above average race car driver, but he did have a penchant for driving too fast on public roads. He was issued a speeding ticket just a couple of hours before his fatal crash.The 550 Spyder was a tiny car which had a curb weight of 1200 lbs and over 200 HP. Unfortunately the smallest and the silver color of the car made it difficult to see. The driver of the other car was making a left turn onto highway 41 and the cars collided. Dean was travelling to Salinas for an auto rally and the original plan was to tow the car to the race, but at the last minute he decided to get some seat time in the Spyder before the rally.
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Old 03-30-2019, 11:25 AM
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SA told me the car is official.
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Old 03-30-2019, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by robcut1 View Post
SA told me the car is official.
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Old 03-31-2019, 05:57 PM
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I just came back from the factory but unfortunately I did not see any signs of the Spyder while there. I did see several GT4 Club Racing Cars littered throughout the factory lots and of course the remaining 991's and the 992.
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