macadamianut

Does anyone have a set of Cup1's that are in nice shape they don't want anymore? (17x7.5 / 17x9) They do not have to be factory Porsche.

Thanks

notthd

I have a set of OEM 17s with brand new rubber- I'm not sure if CUP I or not, they are NOT boxster wheels and came on my car from the factory so the offsets are as they should be- here they are



Let me know- Mike

macadamianut

Hey thanks for the reply, I'm not sure what the wheels you have are called but I like the straight spokes of the cup 1 wheel that was most often seen on the 964 and early years option for 968. I did find a set.


Thanks again

rpm's S2

nothd - those are 993 Cup wheels. Slightly different than what most people call "Cup 1's." The names of all of these, and the ensuing confusion, can make your head spin.

macadamia - this page may help to clarify names. I suspect you mean either 993 Cup or C2 Turbo wheels. Both were factory 17" upgrades for the 968. Base 16" was what this site calls Cup 2 5 spoke.

http://www.wheelenhancement.com/index.php?t=Wheels

jeff968

I have the 17" cup1s on my car. Here's a link to a photo:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73...8/DSC01084.jpg

RajDatta

There is no confusion. There were cup I wheels that came on 964's and 968's. Then there were Cup II that came on 993 and 968's. The ones in the pictures are Cup III.
Raj

968workaholic

The swap meet would be a good place to find some, but it looks like you might be driving for a little bit to get there.

rpm's S2

Hate to disagree, but there is constant confusion on the correct nomenclature for Porsche wheels from the 1990s. The Wheel Enhancement site provides a common vocabulary, but I am not certain that it is completely accurate.

Early 964 16" wheels were Design 90s. Later that changed to the Cup 2 5 spoke (also called the Cup I), which was also the base 16" 968 wheel . 968s came with C2 Turbo (sometimes called Cup IIs) wheels or 993 Cup wheels as the 17" upgrade. Not sure if those wheels overlapped in production or if at some point it just changed to the 993 design. Interestingly, 993 Cup wheels fitted to the Carrera have 7" fronts, while those fitted to the 968 were 7.5. Probably due to the extra weight of the front-engined car.

The wheels in the picture look to me like 993 Cup wheels, but from the angle I cannot quite tell if they have a twist, in which case they might be an early 986/996 wheel. As nothd says they are original fitment then they are probably 993 Cups.

I have never heard of a Cup III wheel - but there is a lot that I don't know.

macadamianut

The wheels on jeff968's car was what I was talking about and found. Tire Rack sells a copy wheel by Sport Edition and they call it the Cup 1 which may be adding to the confusion.

RajDatta

Tire Rack is calling them their correct name. Seems very clear to me, not sure what the confusion is. The wheels in the picture are Cup III.
Early 968's came with Cup1's, which were also found on 964 turbo. Later cars came with CupII, which were also found on 993.
Very clear.
Raj

rpm's S2

The fact that two different, and very reputable websites have such different nomenclature for the same style wheels would seem to underline the very confusion I mention...

And before anyone gives me the "I trust Tire Rack..." argument let me say that I do as well. Just bought new tires from them.. But the wheels they show/sell are aftermarket, the manufacturer can call them anything they want - and may actually have to change the name to avoid patent infringement. Wheel Enhancement's offerings are usually OEM wheels that have been refurbished.

And if the wheels in the picture have a twist then they are not OEM 968 wheels - whoops! More confusion.

notthd

Ok- here is a side view- I do not think they are the "twist" as refered. They are 7.5" fronts....maybe the PO was wrong about all original or maybe a dealer swap- who knows..
As for the 951 in the backgound -Cup1s. There are a set of them at a steal on Craigs- Cheers, Mike

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/pts/633744628.html

notthd

Looked at Wheel enhancement and no matches...Its not Cup 1, not 993 turbo twists and not 993 definately not boxster (they were not in production yet when these were on the car)- I think Raj is the winner with Cup 3s..........?

RajDatta

I don't think anyone called them OEM 968 wheels. I think you are the only one who might be assuming this. Its well known that those wheels never came on 968's. Just because someone puts a set of wheels on 968 does not make them 968 wheels.
Oh well, if its still unclear to you, I don't know what to say. Its pretty clear to me.
Raj

rpm's S2

As you can plainly see I did not assume anything. That term came straight from the 2nd post in this thread. And OEM just stands for original equipment manufacture - I did not use it as a techinical name for the wheel.

Exactly the point I made. Read carefully what you copied from my post. I clearly stated that the wheels in the picture are not OEM 968 wheels if they have a twist. They twist, therefore they are not original 968 wheels. (I am kinda having a Johnny Cochrane moment here)

To resolve this in my own mind I called a buddy just now on the issue of 1990s Porsche wheel names and confusion. He runs an amazing private shop that locates exclusive Porsches for wealthy clients. He was also a very successful Porsche salesman in the early 90s and his knowledge on options and names is encyclopedic.

His names for the different wheels we are discussing:
16" base 968 wheel - Cup 1
17" optional wheels on early 968 - C2 Turbo (the wheels in the craigslist post are these)
17" optional wheels on later 968 - Cup 2 (also called 993 Cup)

He could not recall what the early 17" optional Boxster wheels were officially called. I am fairly certain these are the twists in the picture. As you have said, they could very well be called Cup IIIs...

He also stated that there is constant confusion among his customers and other dealers as to the correct nomenclature on this issue and recommended the Wheel Enhancement site as a good guide.