flash968

C2 Turbo REPLICAS / SO-3S / CAPS for sale now

my new wheels will be done on the 20th

my Mille Miglia 17" C2 Turbo replicas are now available - the are 17x9 with a 47mm ET, and 17x7.5 with a 52mm ET - they are extremely clean inside and out

they also come with painted crest center caps

they come with 225/45/17 and 255/40/17 Bridgestone S0-3s - lots of tread left - very even wear

new cost is 172 ea for the front tires, 224 ea for the rear, 209 ea for the front rims 229 ea for the rear, and 160 for the caps if you're lucky - that's a total of 1828 - on top of that 3 of the 4 tires have road hazard warranties (i never bought it for the one tire which was replaced a week after i got it due to a screw in the sidewall) - you get the mounting and balancing for free! $2000 total value

NO, i won't be breaking up the set in any way

the first $1000 takes them all - you pay shipping

pics available

email to:flash@9magazine.com

BruceWard

If they were real, I would jump on them.

Care to show us what you replaced them with?

flash968

as a note, while they are "replicas", as i understand it, they are made by the same company as the originals, and they had to make the changes for licensing reasons - porsche has a real stick up their butt about their logo and licensing

replacing with HRE 547R - clear coated brushed aluminum spokes and polished outers

18x10 rear 18x9 front

Bridgestone S0-3s 285/30/18 rear, 255/35/18 front

won't be on the car until next week

photo shoot on the 23rd

DC968

I thought there was difference in weight b/t the originals and the replicas (but I could be wrong).

flash968

yes - the replicas are about 1 lb heavier each due to the thicker pad which gives them the more aggressive stance and offset

BruceWard

And if I remember correctly the offsets are different.

Damian in NJ

www.wheelweights.net lists the fronts as being 4 lbs per wheel heavier, I assume the rears are more. This is in keeping with what I've read elsewhere. And where did it ever say that MM was an OEM supplier? I know Speedline, also in Italy, has built OEM wheels.

RajDatta

MM are famous for being heavy. I think they build them as Porsche replica's under license. Obviously, they don't have to meet the same high standards that Porsche expects from its wheels. MM at best are good for snow tires. Higher rotating mass is a horrible thing and at 4 lbs heavier, its quite a bit.
Raj

flash968

4 lbs would be quite a bit - fortunately that isn't the case - this clearly shows the replicas at 28 and 25 - no way the originals are 24 and 21 - check again - the cup 2s are in that territiry, but not the cup 1s

http://members.rennlist.org/911pcars/WheelWts.html

already found a few errors on that other site

these wheels are only about a pound heavier - cast aluminum is cast aluminum - variance in weight is realy only affected in difference in dimension - the only real difference between these is the pad height - that's why only about a pound difference

yes bruce, the offset is different - i've said that in the very first post - the thicker pad is what gives them that offset

Damian in NJ

I've never seen anyone crack a Cup 1, but plenty of people have damaged MM's. I can only attribute this to the fact that MM's are heavier. And where does it say MM's were factory oem?

flash968

it doesn't say that on that chart - that i got from elswhere - before i stick their head in a noose, i will verify it on monday, and make sure they weren't just making an assumption, but i tend to trust their information, since it is specifically their business - wouldn't surprise me either - wheel companies make wheels for multiple car manufacturers - how many wheel companies are in italy? both of these clearly came from italy

as an example - check out superior wheel - dave griemann can tell you how many car manufacturers they make wheels for - it would blow your mind - he knows another company like that too

by the way - according to the charts, the C2T (the cup 2, right?), which is the only one listed on both charts, is a 2# difference front and 1.5# difference rear - again, the pad thickness is responsible here, because again the front gets an extra 13mm outside shift and the rear gets an extra 5mm outside shift - a nice visual improvement

i've not heard of either of the cup 1s cracking, but cast wheels, no matter who makes them are pretty tough to crack, anybody can do it though when you smack a curb - the idea that a heavier wheel would crack first is illogical - more mass means more strength - if anything, the other wheels whould crack first - this is something wheel manufacturers are up against all the time - the materials have specific fixed weight properties - designing a wheel that is lighter, especially when it's cast, means it's not as strong

interestingly, i will be addressing all of this in an article with an interview from the guys at HRE

as for the weights of the replicas vs the originals - why doens't somebody just go out and weigh an original? we now have 2 different people who have weighed a rear replica with a tire, and come up with 53# - the tire weights are on the tire rack site, which when subtracted out, agree with the weights on the chart i posted - somebody yank off a rear with a 255/40/17 on it with decent tread and see what it weighs - i'm betting it's between 51 and 52

Damian in NJ

C2T is 964 Turbo wheel, ie cup 1.

flash968

ok - better still - that further verifies what i have thought - i knew the rear was only a bit more than a pound different - i assumed the front was the same - turns out to be 2 - fine - still not nearly 4

question though - on the rennlist chart, there is an early and late C2T - please explain - are both cup 1s and cup 2s C2T? that would possibly explain why there isn't a listing for both on both charts - it is interesting that neither chart calls them "cup" at all - perhaps this is a misnomer entirely

Damian in NJ

2.5 on the wheelweights.net site. It's exactly accurate for my old cup 2's, which I personally weighed.

flash968

2.5 what?

where do you see those? whch file? what page?