Shannon123

I know this is 964 forum, BUT heres the problem with things right now.....if your going to spend 88k, what are the options on the expenditure ?!

I would much rather have 2 of these drive 1 and let the other have an opportunity to increase in value.

The more I watch prices on these, the more I agree with speednme and frank 993....buying as investment is likley a poor proposition, even in the long run. You may as well enjoy the car.

BTW....can someone tell me the make of the wheels on the '79 930 in the link above, when I buy, I want those on my car.

cobalt

Well we all have opinions. the 930's will never increase to the value of the 94 turbo IMO. The reason these cars are so high priced is the rarity and last of the RWD air cooled single turbo with the classic lines and modern features. It is also the only year the 3.6l motor was used.

I estimate roughly 200 good examples left in the US and before the market turned these were heading towards the stratosphere.

I think you would be hard pressed to find many <20k mile examples and those I have seen sell are commanding much more than those in the >40k mile range. Many collectors appreciate what these cars have to offer over the earlier and later models. Most of them would buy this car and unlike many of the cars in their collection would drive this occasionally. I wager this car will sell in the high $70's low $80's as I said. If this were 5 years ago this car would have brought mid $90's.

If similar 928 GTS's can bring this type of money in this economy I don't see why the 94 turbo would take a back seat to it.

slownrusty

Fixed it for you Cobalt. The early '75 Turbos I feel will be very sought after (already starting to happen) and the '89 G50/50 930s will be equally desirable (nice ones well in the $50+K range) with less than 700 sold in the U.S. Granted the '94 3.6 is still rarer and really is and should be worth more than an early or late 930.

Metal Guru

Don't wait much longer. When the economy gets better, prices will head up.

Frank 993 C4S

Looks like 964 3.3 Cup I wheels even though the ad states that they are Borbet Wheels

Frank 993 C4S

As a matter of full disclosure, I make the "investment" argument to my wife successfully all the time. How else would I end up with a total of 6 cars? Now one day I will actually have to sell a car for more than what I bought it for....

Shannon123

I thought about making that argument, but after my wife saw my brothers 4 corvettes value BLOW UP, she would never buy into that one !!

Borbet wheels....guess I got caught drooling and missed the fine print.

Metal guru....I know, I know.....

Shannon123

Including or excluding mod,maintenance, insurance, taxes, costs ? lol

cobalt

Fair enough I agree that any of these cars can break records assuming they are well maintained low mileage unmolested cars. These are becoming harder and harder to find in this condition all the time. The rest are just going to do the same thing they have been doing all these years.

The cabs slope nose and other low production rarities are also cars to keep an eye on. Just like the 914's tripled their MSRP in value it is possible we can see any of these cars command big dollars or not. I only focus on the 94 turbos because they started to appreciate long before many of these other cars which took up until now to show interest and are starting the slow road to increased value. I think a lot has to do with the relatively reasonable entrance cost since money is tight in general.

I have stated this many times I have never taken a loss on a Porsche, that includes all expenses. Some I have made a serious profit on. The 944 was a wash but no money lost, my cayenne will be a loss if I sell and the same with my C2 but that is a track car and I spare no expense on modifications and I drive the stink out of it. Who knows where the future is heading with these cars. If I sold my turbo today I am sure i would at a minimum break even same goes for my GTS and best part is i have enjoyed them for many years and miles and still get my money out of them. It doesn't get better than that.

I would say that buying these cars as an investment would be a mistake. Collecting them and investing in them are 2 different things. Many collectors buy and sell if they take a loss it doesn't matter to them. So long as their collection is complete. I have never purchased a Porsche as an investment and never will. I missed out on the 73 RS and the 904 which I should have purchased but that is life.

Bklyn964Turbo

Metal Guru do you really think 3.3 Turbos are now priced with the later 930s? That's a bit of an extreme statement don't you think? Maybe a low mile 89 930 and a high mileage 91 ...with that scenario the 89 could actually be worth more but overall I think (and hoping) that the 3.3 Turbos will one day get some respect. While they clearly aren't the rare bird of the 3.6 or the RS, and certainly throw the Speedster in that mix they still have limited numbers and a two year run...as Cobalt says, only time will tell but their numbers here in the states are getting smaller.

Just saying..3.6...3.3 still a perfect 10.0 to drive!

Metal Guru

I'm an owner too like you, Brooklyn, so it pains me too but all recent indication are that the value of the 964 Turbo 3.3 has taken a hit. What's bizarre is that it doesn't seem like 930's have suffered a similar fate. All we can do is wait for better times.

cobalt

What we are seeing is the market separating out the average from the unique. Low mileage clean examples of any model are skyrocketing upwards as the higher mileage heavily modded cars are not selling. Depending what end of the spectrum you look at you can conclude the market is heading in one direction or the other. Very similar to the housing market around me. The really nice desirable homes are still selling at very high dollars either at their high or a click off, the rest are not moving and they sell for less than half of what they sold for 5 years ago if they find a buyer.

A 16k mile 92 964T private sale recently sold for $59,500.00. Ray Joseph has this one for sale http://www.rpmsportscars.com/door34.htm Curious to see what he gets for it.

Not saying this means anything but asking prices in general are high.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/search...=1282485089469

If this were 5 years ago this would be 4 pages instead of 1. Availability is down.

Bklyn964Turbo

I almost fell on the floor when I saw what Manhattan Motors is asking for that 964. I know it's a special one but damn $174.9K? WTF! OK Rennlisters...is that the going rate or is Manhattan Motors advertising this as a mobile studio condo that will allow you to live anywhere in Manhattan, parking extra.

cobalt

Actually a bit cheaper than Richard Sloan.
http://sloancars.com/1263/1994-964-3...k-17789-miles/

These cars are starting to bring their MSRP. Imagine paying that much back in 1994??

I knew the previous owner of this car and I can say it is as nice as they come. I reluctantly passed on purchasing it. Of course the price was a bit lower then.

Bklyn964Turbo

What's crazy is that if I had the money I'd do it. Maybe it's the black or 1 of 39 and 17K miles on it...the only thing I'd change is that cheezy wood shifter that looks out of place in that interior and that car. In 94 that price would be closer to $300K today...hmm at that price what would you buy?...