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Old 08-04-2022, 01:10 PM
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@cobalt too bad you didn’t have a build thread on this one. It’s Impressive…….most impressive.
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I do it just hasn't been updated in a year. I jumped over to the slick top project.

​​​​​​https://rennlist.com/forums/964-foru...ue-meanie.html

Then it got all convoluted by me posting on the slick top thread. One day when I get closer I will start it up again.


https://rennlist.com/forums/964-foru...-is-the-3.html
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this is best core money can buy.....





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^^^ Beautiful core no doubt. Perfect for a 962 or GT2 Clone. You can't argue with the price or efficiency of the new garette cores. They seem to be the industry standard these days.
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Originally Posted by 997 tt/rs
this is best core money can buy.....
And it will take a lot of money to buy one.
See post #7.....
Old 08-09-2022, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Metal Guru
And it will take a lot of money to buy one.
See post #7.....
That is why I went with the Garrett, Does the job at a fraction of the cost.
Old 08-15-2022, 02:08 PM
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Hey Guys, Back on topic. 1992 Andial 3.3 S2 intercooler shown here against the B&B intercooler. i didn't know B&B had been making these for years as I haven't owned a C2 Turbo since 2013.
The B&B is nicer than my old Powerhaus intercooler. But the Andial is far superior as it's identical to stock but 4.5" in depth verse 3.5" on the B&B. Some of the bracket's are not the same. B&B forgot the above rear grounding point. The B&B intercooler will work for my application as I have a 1991 965 that's going to be highly modified. These are not super easy to bolt on and require modification of brackets and possibly the decklid but not the tail. Original intercooler airduct fits on both intercoolers. You guys could probably tell me more from here.




Old 08-16-2022, 10:32 AM
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The S2 should bolt right up. I have had several friends with real S2's and I don't recall the need for any mods or special parts. If you didn't know the cars you would think it was stock. IIRC the deck height should be the same to fit under the stock tea tray. The B&B appears to be the same as stock and I am not a huge fan of his products. Good design but usually flawed execution.
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This intercooler was made by Fred Garretson (and his fabricator, Mike), probably back in the 90s. They made very few of them for the 964 Turbo, and it was generally sold to those customers who wanted an S2-style intercooler without sending theirs in for modification. All old-school fabrication -- wooden bucks, rollers, hammers, torches. They were mostly sold through ANDIAL and PowerHaus.
You could also purchase the S2 intercooler conversion through ANDIAL and PowerHaus.
We still haven't found who made their intercooler cores, but they were exceptionally efficient for their time and are still very good by today's standards.
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So guys what is best idea for building 964 intercooler at a reasonable price? Which core you would recommend?
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Garrett is offering vertical flow core in similar dimensions, any experience with Garrett cores here?

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I posted pics above of the garrett cores I am using. Since mine is TT I needed 2 make my design work and sizes were limited. It looks like they have expanded the line and they have become an industry standard. One major downside is they are packed so full of fins they weigh a lot.
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Originally Posted by cobalt
I posted pics above of the garrett cores I am using. Since mine is TT I needed 2 make my design work and sizes were limited. It looks like they have expanded the line and they have become an industry standard. One major downside is they are packed so full of fins they weigh a lot.
have you compared with oem from the performance perspective and temp drop?
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You should find all the info you need online. I did the comparisons a few years back and as I recall the factory cores are very inefficient in comparison. Even the 993 dual core has its design flaws and our solidworks test showed excessive turbulence when the two converged.
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Here is mine....






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