RWB Brooklyn
03-26-2016, 11:01 PM
#16
1. Not a paying crowd. I can confirm - I was there.
2. Not your car, not your problem. Let other people do what they want. Nobody is cutting up the Mona Lisa here. Plenty of 964's to go around and for everyone to do with what they please. Didn't realize Rennlist became ComplaintsList
3. As a "purist," you must also hate the 993 GT2 with its bolt on fenders.
4. The majority of RWB owners revisit the exposed metal and treat it to prevent rust issues. How do I know? I own an RWB. The white car you see next to the car being built in the video is mine. A note about the unpainted fender wells - this car was not color sanded nor finally polished, among other outstanding items. As you can tell, there is a lot of "unhealthy" treatment of the paint during the build. After this, the car goes back to the body shop, is touched up, final areas are finished, and the remaining cut and polish is performed.
Now, for those who are going to tell me I'm a sacrilegious Porsche owner and don't understand Porsche, I also own a '73 T, GT4, 991 GT3, stock '91 964, etc... Both the GT4/GT3 see track time. Skinny cars, wide cars, bolted on fenders, I love them all. They all have their purpose and individuality. RWB is something you choose because you personally enjoy the build. If you can't appreciate the individuality that a true enthusiast strives for, then you're no Porsche purist, you're a curmudgeon. Life is too short to constrain your taste to appease everyone else, Porsche has always been about modular modification and personalization of your own car. My RWB features a more than generous dose of chassis work including 993 RS Uprights, tie rods, sway bars, all monoball bushings, Brembo 6piston race kit, etc... etc.. And a 3.8 is in the works for the car.
/Rant
2. Not your car, not your problem. Let other people do what they want. Nobody is cutting up the Mona Lisa here. Plenty of 964's to go around and for everyone to do with what they please. Didn't realize Rennlist became ComplaintsList
3. As a "purist," you must also hate the 993 GT2 with its bolt on fenders.
4. The majority of RWB owners revisit the exposed metal and treat it to prevent rust issues. How do I know? I own an RWB. The white car you see next to the car being built in the video is mine. A note about the unpainted fender wells - this car was not color sanded nor finally polished, among other outstanding items. As you can tell, there is a lot of "unhealthy" treatment of the paint during the build. After this, the car goes back to the body shop, is touched up, final areas are finished, and the remaining cut and polish is performed.
Now, for those who are going to tell me I'm a sacrilegious Porsche owner and don't understand Porsche, I also own a '73 T, GT4, 991 GT3, stock '91 964, etc... Both the GT4/GT3 see track time. Skinny cars, wide cars, bolted on fenders, I love them all. They all have their purpose and individuality. RWB is something you choose because you personally enjoy the build. If you can't appreciate the individuality that a true enthusiast strives for, then you're no Porsche purist, you're a curmudgeon. Life is too short to constrain your taste to appease everyone else, Porsche has always been about modular modification and personalization of your own car. My RWB features a more than generous dose of chassis work including 993 RS Uprights, tie rods, sway bars, all monoball bushings, Brembo 6piston race kit, etc... etc.. And a 3.8 is in the works for the car.
/Rant
I find it hilarious that people will **** on his work, but will lust over a 993 EVO.
03-26-2016, 11:07 PM
#17
ekoges,
Last I knew we still live in the good old USA and are allowed to express our opinions. I'm sorry that some opinions here may have hurt your feelings being that you are financially and emotionally invested in one of these. If you are happy, good for you. That's all that matters. Pretty f'd up that considering the cost of his work, the owner is left to fend for the integrity of the steel that he has modified. That's tough to defend from a craftsmanship perspective.
Last I knew we still live in the good old USA and are allowed to express our opinions. I'm sorry that some opinions here may have hurt your feelings being that you are financially and emotionally invested in one of these. If you are happy, good for you. That's all that matters. Pretty f'd up that considering the cost of his work, the owner is left to fend for the integrity of the steel that he has modified. That's tough to defend from a craftsmanship perspective.
03-26-2016, 11:15 PM
#18
ekoges,
Last I knew we still live in the good old USA and are allowed to express our opinions. I'm sorry that some opinions here may have hurt your feelings being that you are financially and emotionally invested in one of these. If you are happy, good for you. That's all that matters. Pretty f'd up that considering the cost of his work, the owner is left to fend for the integrity of the steel that he has modified. That's tough to defend from a craftsmanship perspective.
Last I knew we still live in the good old USA and are allowed to express our opinions. I'm sorry that some opinions here may have hurt your feelings being that you are financially and emotionally invested in one of these. If you are happy, good for you. That's all that matters. Pretty f'd up that considering the cost of his work, the owner is left to fend for the integrity of the steel that he has modified. That's tough to defend from a craftsmanship perspective.
The cost of the work, in comparison to a many body kits on today's market is honestly not that bad, especially considering it includes Nakai flying to you (anywhere in the world) to assemble the kit himself. It doesn't take much to undercoat that area touched.
I'm happy to answer any other questions you guys might have.
Cheers to individuality, personality, and most of all actually DRIVING your cars!
03-26-2016, 11:27 PM
#19
Ekoges, I've always been curious if you think that a 3.8 can really take advantage of the wider tires and wider track of the car. Seems that to really justify the build and make use of the extra width, that you'd need some type of turbo power otherwise even a 3.8 won't make much torque down low to really need the extra traction of a 13" rear tire. Seems like it would be disadvantageous even to a 3.8L build. Not criticizing. Just trying to think logically about it. Talk us through it!
03-26-2016, 11:27 PM
#20
Drifting
How did the 993 GT2 get brought into this comparison? That car was built for one purpose - and it wasn't to pose as some cool trend. It was built to perform. I think people would be more open to the RWB if there was performance intent (I know some do) or if there was true craftsmanship. Im not a fan of Singer but appreciate the craftsmanship. People also get tired of the statements like "last true coach builder" and whatever other stupid unwarranted compliments are thrown at that guy. I just don't get it.
03-26-2016, 11:27 PM
#21
Race Car
I'd like to hear about the driving differences btw your stock 964, and the gt3 and your rwb...
Not ripping on your car...but honestly have never spoken to anyone that owns all these different cars...care to share the differences in hard driving? How is the rwb on a track.
Not ripping on your car...but honestly have never spoken to anyone that owns all these different cars...care to share the differences in hard driving? How is the rwb on a track.
03-26-2016, 11:37 PM
#22
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
^^ what he said. Would love to hear your opinion. Like is aid before, and had in my build thread, I seriously considered having a RWB built, but ultimately decided I wasn't willing to sacrifice driving dynamics for looks. Had anyone who owns a RWB weighed in with their own experience I'm sure I could have been swayed. I felt that 13 inch wide rear wheels and maybe 300hp (never going to turbo my car) wasn't the right approach for me.
Happy to hear no one paid to be there.. But an eventbrite ticketing system certainly had the looks of a paid event.
Seriously though.. Whoever wrote the "last true coach builder line" isn't fooling anyone. These cars are awesome, but coach work is a stretch.
Happy to hear no one paid to be there.. But an eventbrite ticketing system certainly had the looks of a paid event.
Seriously though.. Whoever wrote the "last true coach builder line" isn't fooling anyone. These cars are awesome, but coach work is a stretch.
03-26-2016, 11:50 PM
#23
Ekoges, I've always been curious if you think that a 3.8 can really take advantage of the wider tires and wider track of the car. Seems that to really justify the build and make use of the extra width, that you'd need some type of turbo power otherwise even a 3.8 won't make much torque down low to really need the extra traction of a 13" rear tire. Seems like it would be disadvantageous even to a 3.8L build. Not criticizing. Just trying to think logically about it. Talk us through it!
I'd like to hear about the driving differences btw your stock 964, and the gt3 and your rwb...
Not ripping on your car...but honestly have never spoken to anyone that owns all these different cars...care to share the differences in hard driving? How is the rwb on a track.
Not ripping on your car...but honestly have never spoken to anyone that owns all these different cars...care to share the differences in hard driving? How is the rwb on a track.
The stock 964 is a stock 964, nothing out of the ordinary. The quick answer is that it retains the joy of an aircooled 911, with the refined touch of ‘90s technology. It is more “comfortable” to drive than an early car, and the feel due to the shifter position and throws is more akin to a modern car than any previous 911.
Now, the RWB. This car took a lot of time, effort, and money to get “right.” I’m very particular with the way cars are set up. Chassis work is the single most important aspect of a build. It’s what gets you through the canyons or around a track, not just horsepower alone. You can also have the most impressive list of parts in your car, but without being properly set up, it’s worth nothing. Shameless plug here for Joey Seely at E-motion Engineering for dialing in the RWB and all of my other cars. As I like to say, Joey took my cars from butter knifes to scalpels.
As far as the feel, I would say its extremely direct, extremely sticky (obviously), predictable, and very fun to drive. The car has evolved quite a bit since build day, and the whole heap of parts and set up time in the car was really worth it. I’ve had many friends and well-versed Porsche people drive the car, and everyone agrees that it surprises them with its drivability and proper feel. I regularly have it up in the canyons, but have yet to take it to the track. Soon, its day will come.
Side note: the Eventbrite was an effort to organize and plan, as The Drive was kind enough to roast a pig, and prepare drinks etc. for attendees. Needed a head count!
03-27-2016, 03:44 AM
#24
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03-27-2016, 04:27 AM
#25
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Ekoges thanks for the insight. Nice to hear from an actual owner. Sounds like I expected.. You get out of it what you put into it, and no two are alike.
03-27-2016, 05:48 AM
#26
I feel like an RWB car with an oem powertrain feels like a 4 stroke go kart
03-27-2016, 07:36 AM
#27
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so this is a thing thats actually happening right now.
Nakai is building a car in brooklyn in front of a paying crowd. the build is being broadcast live on youtbe. the eventbrte listning for the event says ( and this is a direct quote)
Nakai-San, the last true coach builder, comes to new york city for the first time to creat RWB Brooklyn.- the first RWB designed for a female enthusiast"
seriously? the last true coach builder? who comes up with this stuff?
Nakai is building a car in brooklyn in front of a paying crowd. the build is being broadcast live on youtbe. the eventbrte listning for the event says ( and this is a direct quote)
Nakai-San, the last true coach builder, comes to new york city for the first time to creat RWB Brooklyn.- the first RWB designed for a female enthusiast"
seriously? the last true coach builder? who comes up with this stuff?
03-27-2016, 10:52 AM
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This forum has old people, young people. People from the country, people from the city. People who race, people who just drive on the street. People who are concerned with weight, others not concerned. People who like low riders, people who don't. People who like coupes, people who like Targas ( Jerry should start a telethon for Targa people.lol) My point being... Everything is not to everyone's liking, but it's not suppose to be.
03-27-2016, 11:32 AM
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Coach builder, lol.