Buying a 1994 964 C2 and need help!
03-31-2013, 10:26 AM
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I had a conversation a few weeks ago with a specialist about the pros and cons of 2's and 4's.
It seems to me that there are arguments for both, he preferred the 4, but one of his mechanics preferred the 2 as they feel livelier than the 4 and reckoned they are easier to modify and someone selling a 4 here in Switzerland reckoned the Swiss prefer a 4 for the 4 wheel drive. Personally, I have no intention of using it in the snow or even in the winter months.
Did you see the car before you decided to buy it?
It seems to me that there are arguments for both, he preferred the 4, but one of his mechanics preferred the 2 as they feel livelier than the 4 and reckoned they are easier to modify and someone selling a 4 here in Switzerland reckoned the Swiss prefer a 4 for the 4 wheel drive. Personally, I have no intention of using it in the snow or even in the winter months.
Did you see the car before you decided to buy it?
03-31-2013, 11:04 PM
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<< There are no leaks or issues with the engine or tranny>>
Which seems to be way off from the PPI, isn't it?.. Therefore, must be negotiable!...
<< There are no leaks or issues with the engine or tranny>>
Which seems to be way off from the PPI, isn't it?.. Therefore, must be negotiable!...
04-01-2013, 01:07 AM
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SV, yes he's prepared to negotiate, but not below 24.5k as supposedly he has already had an offer on that price and turned it down.
Prices for 964's are all over the place but creeping up, I've been looking at the thread on 964 prices and they can be anything from 15k upwards and some people have been lucky enough to buy low ish mileage cars for that sort of money, but this car is definitely not worth IMO more than 21-22k.
Prices for 964's are all over the place but creeping up, I've been looking at the thread on 964 prices and they can be anything from 15k upwards and some people have been lucky enough to buy low ish mileage cars for that sort of money, but this car is definitely not worth IMO more than 21-22k.
04-01-2013, 04:29 PM
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Took a look today at the car and would offer that the car appears to be in relatively good condition inside and out. Allowed a short test drive, car drove well and strong. Did not see any damage or visible issues that can be used to significantly reduce the price. The bigger issue with respect to the price is what would the market bear. The current price is too high, but doubt that he would sell for much less.
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04-03-2013, 07:37 PM
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Took a look today at the car and would offer that the car appears to be in relatively good condition inside and out. Allowed a short test drive, car drove well and strong. Did not see any damage or visible issues that can be used to significantly reduce the price. The bigger issue with respect to the price is what would the market bear. The current price is too high, but doubt that he would sell for much less.
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Best be patient if it is corroded. My RS took over a year to buy. I would not buy a car with corroded floor pan up front as you will end up having to pay to get it rectified.
04-03-2013, 09:22 PM
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There was obvious repair in the area, but as I told Stuart I did not pulled the battery, so had no idea if there was any damage to the floor pan itself and the quality of the repair. The repaired area was actually under the car and not directly beneath the battery, so this was actually the "rubber looking" piece and not the floor.
04-03-2013, 10:01 PM
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I spoke with the dealer last night and the best price he will go down to is $26250.
In the next few days I have another 94 C2 in for a PPI. It's higher mileage, but I think it's a better maintained car, so that might help me make my mind up.
In the next few days I have another 94 C2 in for a PPI. It's higher mileage, but I think it's a better maintained car, so that might help me make my mind up.
04-03-2013, 10:04 PM
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One note on the 2nd car. On one of the service records, they noted that the front struts are mounted opposite each other. My conclusion is that they meant RHS, fitted on the LHS. Is that possible or does anyone know what they meant?
08-05-2013, 02:14 PM
#54
I hate to resurrect an old thread - but the Amazon green 964 was my car. When I sold it (to OPO) he was buying for personal use, however apparently decided to sell it within a few days/weeks (flipping?). The car was a solid driver, needing only a complete compound, buff and wax, drivers seat bolster repair (two wear holes) and at a minimum, front brakes/rotors.
I had put 8,000 miles on the car in the year and half I owned it. I was selling, as I was unwilling to put another $3-5,000 into maintenance - primarily the suspension was aging and I felt it needed a clutch, oil leak repair and the aforementioned brakes. (And we all know what can happen once the drivetrain is out). I was told by the previous owner that the damage in the left- front floor pan was due to running up over a curb. No idea if true or false. The car was a driver - not a concourse winner.
It had a relatively strong PPI when I purchased the car with good (but not perfect compression) and very good leak down numbers. I had all deferred maintenance brought up to date. It used about 1 quart every 1500 miles - give or take 300 miles.
The biggest problem with the car was a mileage problem as shown on carfax. This occurred in 1998and scared off many (most) buyers when I had it advertised on Pelican. I was told it was an error - and that seemed to be consistent with other data on the carfax. I did not try to fix, if truly an error - it was a driver not a concourse winner.
I purchased the car for $19,000 in September of 2011 and sold it for $22,500 in March ,2013.
It ran flawlessly for the time I had the car, never not starting or performing as expected. I took the car on a 4000 mile trip from south Texas to Northern Michigan in July 2012 - the car had great air conditioning. I feel like I was close to break even on the car - spent some money on maintenance, but drove a lot as well.
I bring all this up for a couple of reasons - first, I do not have a problem with flippers, they provide a needed service to the community by providing liquidity. Flippers seem to feel that they must work in the shadows, as most try to mask their identity as a flipper. I was ready to sell - and sold for the same price whether to a flipper or owner. The 964 market is a rising market - the car would always be worth more next week, month, year - until it is not. This buyer/flipper spent some time or money fixing the paint issues - do not know if he addressed other issues. Do not know if he decided to flip after looking at cost/benefit of fixing all issues.
I also bring this up as buyers are always looking for information when evaluating a car. This was a very good car, but was missing the all important (to some) maintenance history, had a carfax problem and was not owned by an **** enthusiast. It was the exact car I was looking for at the time I purchased it. A good driver. Many of you overlook cars with some of this missing - but the important item is the PPI - what does it need the day you buy it. Does the price/condition make sense in the current market.
I had a number of people (enthusiasts) call me about the car when I had it advertised on Pelican last winter. It was a highly sought after model of a great car being advertised at $24,500 OBO. The issues/history, to the extent that I had it, was all disclosed - they all were scared off by the carfax issue.
I believe the car has sold since this thread was started. One other potential buyer (who I discussed the car with) said that the bottom line price was $26,000 as shown on a wholesale dealer website. All in, this would put a buyer into the low $31-33,000 range once all issues have been addressed and the car has a refreshed suspension and clutch. I do not know if the current market supports this price range for a car that will always be a driver, potentially needing a top end in the next 10 thousand miles.
I had put 8,000 miles on the car in the year and half I owned it. I was selling, as I was unwilling to put another $3-5,000 into maintenance - primarily the suspension was aging and I felt it needed a clutch, oil leak repair and the aforementioned brakes. (And we all know what can happen once the drivetrain is out). I was told by the previous owner that the damage in the left- front floor pan was due to running up over a curb. No idea if true or false. The car was a driver - not a concourse winner.
It had a relatively strong PPI when I purchased the car with good (but not perfect compression) and very good leak down numbers. I had all deferred maintenance brought up to date. It used about 1 quart every 1500 miles - give or take 300 miles.
The biggest problem with the car was a mileage problem as shown on carfax. This occurred in 1998and scared off many (most) buyers when I had it advertised on Pelican. I was told it was an error - and that seemed to be consistent with other data on the carfax. I did not try to fix, if truly an error - it was a driver not a concourse winner.
I purchased the car for $19,000 in September of 2011 and sold it for $22,500 in March ,2013.
It ran flawlessly for the time I had the car, never not starting or performing as expected. I took the car on a 4000 mile trip from south Texas to Northern Michigan in July 2012 - the car had great air conditioning. I feel like I was close to break even on the car - spent some money on maintenance, but drove a lot as well.
I bring all this up for a couple of reasons - first, I do not have a problem with flippers, they provide a needed service to the community by providing liquidity. Flippers seem to feel that they must work in the shadows, as most try to mask their identity as a flipper. I was ready to sell - and sold for the same price whether to a flipper or owner. The 964 market is a rising market - the car would always be worth more next week, month, year - until it is not. This buyer/flipper spent some time or money fixing the paint issues - do not know if he addressed other issues. Do not know if he decided to flip after looking at cost/benefit of fixing all issues.
I also bring this up as buyers are always looking for information when evaluating a car. This was a very good car, but was missing the all important (to some) maintenance history, had a carfax problem and was not owned by an **** enthusiast. It was the exact car I was looking for at the time I purchased it. A good driver. Many of you overlook cars with some of this missing - but the important item is the PPI - what does it need the day you buy it. Does the price/condition make sense in the current market.
I had a number of people (enthusiasts) call me about the car when I had it advertised on Pelican last winter. It was a highly sought after model of a great car being advertised at $24,500 OBO. The issues/history, to the extent that I had it, was all disclosed - they all were scared off by the carfax issue.
I believe the car has sold since this thread was started. One other potential buyer (who I discussed the car with) said that the bottom line price was $26,000 as shown on a wholesale dealer website. All in, this would put a buyer into the low $31-33,000 range once all issues have been addressed and the car has a refreshed suspension and clutch. I do not know if the current market supports this price range for a car that will always be a driver, potentially needing a top end in the next 10 thousand miles.
08-05-2013, 04:04 PM
#55
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Opo was posting pics of himself cleaning the undercarriage of the car as early as this weekend. I don't think he has unloaded it, just added it to his fleet of 964s (currently at 3-4 cars IIRC). I could be wrong.
08-05-2013, 05:42 PM
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Houston - I guess not really "south".
I should note - I would buy my car again - it was a great car. I looked for over a year to find a non-red/silver/black/white 964. When I sold it to OPO it was obvious that he was both buying and selling all the time - it was and is his to do with as he pleases. Once he completes the suspension and puts the sports seats in - it will be a beautiful 964. What is amazing to me is that you see posts all the time that people want a 1992-1994 C2 5 speed - but they do not want to fork over the money. They are rare vehicles, great drivers with amazing comfort/safety features. I have had 7 Porsches over the years - as well as many other cars - both classic and non - just for the fun of it. I should be picking up my 1957 TR-3 from the resto shop later this summer.
When I sold it I was in the market for something to take on a road trip to California with my sons last spring. Ended up with a Volvo V70 R design - put 5,000 mile on it on a long road trip - and am headed out to put another 5,000 in the next few weeks.
I should note - I would buy my car again - it was a great car. I looked for over a year to find a non-red/silver/black/white 964. When I sold it to OPO it was obvious that he was both buying and selling all the time - it was and is his to do with as he pleases. Once he completes the suspension and puts the sports seats in - it will be a beautiful 964. What is amazing to me is that you see posts all the time that people want a 1992-1994 C2 5 speed - but they do not want to fork over the money. They are rare vehicles, great drivers with amazing comfort/safety features. I have had 7 Porsches over the years - as well as many other cars - both classic and non - just for the fun of it. I should be picking up my 1957 TR-3 from the resto shop later this summer.
When I sold it I was in the market for something to take on a road trip to California with my sons last spring. Ended up with a Volvo V70 R design - put 5,000 mile on it on a long road trip - and am headed out to put another 5,000 in the next few weeks.
08-06-2013, 12:47 AM
#59
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I was planning a trip to see this car in Houston last Saturday, but OPO said his wife fell in love with it and he bought it. I was aware of the discrepancy in the report with the mileage. Moreso important, the car has been flipped a few times, especially not registered to an individual. But i did not care. However, I was far from the mentioned numbers above. Everything happens for a reason, it is in good hands now, and i found a mint C2 which i hope i will be happy with.
08-06-2013, 01:18 AM
#60
OPO has owned this car since March, 2013. Annex Houston - where the car has been advertised, looks like a consignment sales lot, I have always assumed that OPO had the car there on consignment.
As I indicated above the car was in need of some maintenance. This was not a surprise for a 18-19 year old car with 95,000 miles. The eBay post (currently under completed listings with a sale at $27,900- i guess i will no longer look at completed listings to see what willing buyers pay willing sellers) does contain some "sales puffery" as one should expect from all used car dealers.
As always buyer beware at all Times.
As I indicated above the car was in need of some maintenance. This was not a surprise for a 18-19 year old car with 95,000 miles. The eBay post (currently under completed listings with a sale at $27,900- i guess i will no longer look at completed listings to see what willing buyers pay willing sellers) does contain some "sales puffery" as one should expect from all used car dealers.
As always buyer beware at all Times.