Why do 964's tend to be modified so much?
12-12-2012, 06:29 AM
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Don't think I would call a 964 slow and certainly not in comparison to a WRX STi of any vintage, unless the Scooby has been modded to Hell; another thing altogether. Latest one has just over 300bhp but weighs in at over 200lbs heavier than my fat old C4.
12-12-2012, 06:58 AM
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I don't think that the 964 gets modified any more than the earlier cars or perhaps the later cars, maybe even the opposite.
On the earlier cars there have been countless backdates and there are a lot of IROC, CS, RS, 3.0RS, RSR etc etc conversions whereas most 964 owners tend to lean towards the RS for inspiriation. I put this down to it being a reasonably simple look to achieve as it isn't a million miles away looks wise from a standard 964 and a few simple mods makes quite a big difference.
One thing that does surprise me is the lack of wide bodied 964 conversions. The older cars tend to suffer more bodywork issues so at this stage in their life most need some surgery particularly with wings, sills, kidneybowls & arches and it's very easy to fall into the 'while you're in there' trap and change the style of the car, maybe with turbo arches etc but I still thought there would be more wide hipped 964's even taking the hideous expence involved to make it happen.
On the earlier cars there have been countless backdates and there are a lot of IROC, CS, RS, 3.0RS, RSR etc etc conversions whereas most 964 owners tend to lean towards the RS for inspiriation. I put this down to it being a reasonably simple look to achieve as it isn't a million miles away looks wise from a standard 964 and a few simple mods makes quite a big difference.
One thing that does surprise me is the lack of wide bodied 964 conversions. The older cars tend to suffer more bodywork issues so at this stage in their life most need some surgery particularly with wings, sills, kidneybowls & arches and it's very easy to fall into the 'while you're in there' trap and change the style of the car, maybe with turbo arches etc but I still thought there would be more wide hipped 964's even taking the hideous expence involved to make it happen.
12-12-2012, 09:07 AM
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12-12-2012, 09:31 AM
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I think majority of 964 owners "enhance" rather than "modify" their cars. There are the odd few mentalists that build up massive spec RS engines though............they fit into a whole nother category!!!!! ;P
12-12-2012, 09:35 AM
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No problem in fact It's my car's idol 
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12-12-2012, 10:41 AM
#22
Burning Brakes
I'm a purest and don't "appreciate" hacking up a gorgeous car with body kits and the like. If other people want to do it to their car, go for it. That will just make mine worth more down the road.
12-12-2012, 10:50 AM
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12-12-2012, 12:06 PM
#24
Originally Posted by bigunit_271078
There are the odd few mentalists that build up massive spec RS engines though............they fit into a whole nother category!!!!! ;P
Yeah those mentalists are complete fruit cakes.
Not making to many friends on this forum sayin that ......
There are the odd few mentalists that build up massive spec RS engines though............they fit into a whole nother category!!!!! ;P
Yeah those mentalists are complete fruit cakes.
Not making to many friends on this forum sayin that ......
12-12-2012, 12:12 PM
#25
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by bigunit_271078
There are the odd few mentalists that build up massive spec RS engines though............they fit into a whole nother category!!!!! ;P
Yeah those mentalists are complete fruit cakes.
Not making to many friends on this forum sayin that ......
There are the odd few mentalists that build up massive spec RS engines though............they fit into a whole nother category!!!!! ;P
Yeah those mentalists are complete fruit cakes.
Not making to many friends on this forum sayin that ......
They'll hug it out, its just an "in-joke".
Bloody British humour!
12-12-2012, 12:15 PM
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12-12-2012, 12:30 PM
#28
Three Wheelin'
My fruitcake doesn't have green bits! how much are they, where did you get them, do they come with the right offset or do you need to use spacers? That's how it happens 
Seriously though, except for outliers like Mark Shaw, Kai, Frank and the built to order specials like Singer and 9m, the mods we see here are pretty tame; suspension, brakes from newer models, race seats, roll cages, maybe an LSD.
There's a sort of built in limitation of the 964 package so we're mostly spared the wild custom interiors and exteriors, not to mention the wide range of options for screwing your car up that a turbo engine provides.
Seriously though, except for outliers like Mark Shaw, Kai, Frank and the built to order specials like Singer and 9m, the mods we see here are pretty tame; suspension, brakes from newer models, race seats, roll cages, maybe an LSD.
There's a sort of built in limitation of the 964 package so we're mostly spared the wild custom interiors and exteriors, not to mention the wide range of options for screwing your car up that a turbo engine provides.
12-12-2012, 12:57 PM
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sml often cracks me up when he pops up in various threads, he likes to stir things up... His opinion and we're all entitled to those
12-12-2012, 01:04 PM
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I think it comes down to the 964 redesigned platform.
The 964 is so good in stock form that you don't need to modify the car much at all have a very competent sports car. I think that explains why most of the 964s I see are basically stock or have only some simple RS mods. As mentioned, the RS look is quite easy to achieve with these cars. It's an amazing simple, compact and purposeful look that doesn't detract for the cars original design purpose or identity.
On the other hand, I've seen lots of 964 turned into race cars. By the time the 964 arrived Porsche had finally stopped trying to kill the 911. The shell was dramatically strengthened and finally redesigned for coil over suspension, ABS and improved safety. The 964s secret is under it's skin. With it's 60's designed greenhouse the 964 looks pretty old-school, but under those traditional fenders is a very strong platform. It's all about the platform.
You feel the quality and value the 964 has to offer. Your response to that "quality" can go either way:
Keep it stock because it's such a lovely piece of kit.
OR your response car be..."this thing is so solid that it's worth spending money on and creating something really focused".
I can't blame either group...only the guys who are not driving their cars are missing out!
But don't take my word for it, Singer is creating $500,000 reimagined 964s.
(@ 50, Dickenson says, "we take the best platform from that era...")
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1974234463001/
The 964 is so good in stock form that you don't need to modify the car much at all have a very competent sports car. I think that explains why most of the 964s I see are basically stock or have only some simple RS mods. As mentioned, the RS look is quite easy to achieve with these cars. It's an amazing simple, compact and purposeful look that doesn't detract for the cars original design purpose or identity.
On the other hand, I've seen lots of 964 turned into race cars. By the time the 964 arrived Porsche had finally stopped trying to kill the 911. The shell was dramatically strengthened and finally redesigned for coil over suspension, ABS and improved safety. The 964s secret is under it's skin. With it's 60's designed greenhouse the 964 looks pretty old-school, but under those traditional fenders is a very strong platform. It's all about the platform.
You feel the quality and value the 964 has to offer. Your response to that "quality" can go either way:
Keep it stock because it's such a lovely piece of kit.
OR your response car be..."this thing is so solid that it's worth spending money on and creating something really focused".
I can't blame either group...only the guys who are not driving their cars are missing out!
But don't take my word for it, Singer is creating $500,000 reimagined 964s.
(@ 50, Dickenson says, "we take the best platform from that era...")
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1974234463001/