Why do 964's tend to be modified so much?
12-11-2012, 10:30 AM
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Why do 964's tend to be modified so much?
In my experience most other classic Porsches tend to be kept as original as possible (Singer and paul Stephen type specials excepted). Why is sit that there seems to be so much customisation going on with 964's?
I can't think of many standard looking cars on this forum... loads of cars seem to go for the RS look or slammed big alloys look.. with other classics I have had keeping the car original was key.. on here even I have made several small mods, like clear indicators, RS Ducts.. etch.. but even more than that, I am now considering going for a lightweight C4 project type car.. plastic windows, stripped out interior, lightweight bonnet.. I would never have though before buying the 964 that I would have gone down this route. Surely untampred with 964's will become pretty rare in the future.. and perhaps quite desirable because of it?
I can't think of many standard looking cars on this forum... loads of cars seem to go for the RS look or slammed big alloys look.. with other classics I have had keeping the car original was key.. on here even I have made several small mods, like clear indicators, RS Ducts.. etch.. but even more than that, I am now considering going for a lightweight C4 project type car.. plastic windows, stripped out interior, lightweight bonnet.. I would never have though before buying the 964 that I would have gone down this route. Surely untampred with 964's will become pretty rare in the future.. and perhaps quite desirable because of it?
12-11-2012, 11:48 AM
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I had always thoguht that most of these cars here had a stock look...wheels aside -
as to modifying the cars - well, in the states they had the ride-height of an SUV stock, so lowernig the car is important, and they handle horribly stock, so you gotta take care of the understeer, and then guesss what, you are already walking the path...and so while you're in there....it's a slippery slope for sure, but as has been said, it's addictive and it's your own...
as to modifying the cars - well, in the states they had the ride-height of an SUV stock, so lowernig the car is important, and they handle horribly stock, so you gotta take care of the understeer, and then guesss what, you are already walking the path...and so while you're in there....it's a slippery slope for sure, but as has been said, it's addictive and it's your own...
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12-11-2012, 02:12 PM
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12-11-2012, 04:21 PM
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It's a mixture of different things.
I believe other 911s are modded a lot also - we just spend to too much time on the 964 forum.
As for why they're modded. Well it makes more financial sense - especially regarding appreciating 911s. Modifying most cars is money thrown out of the window. There are very few cars whose values increase albeit not proportionally to the money spent on modifying them. But the market shows that values increase with the right mods.
The platform is robust. Modifying other marques can often lead to reliability issues amongst other pitfalls, whereas the 964 platform for example is a brilliant base car to modify. I would say it's down to it's relative simplicity, relative cost effectiveness in most respects, bullet proof reliability and build quality/ strength.
I suppose the important part in relation to resale, is to modify sympathetically/ in keeping with the 911 philosophy.
Here is a good example of what not to do
I believe other 911s are modded a lot also - we just spend to too much time on the 964 forum.
As for why they're modded. Well it makes more financial sense - especially regarding appreciating 911s. Modifying most cars is money thrown out of the window. There are very few cars whose values increase albeit not proportionally to the money spent on modifying them. But the market shows that values increase with the right mods.
The platform is robust. Modifying other marques can often lead to reliability issues amongst other pitfalls, whereas the 964 platform for example is a brilliant base car to modify. I would say it's down to it's relative simplicity, relative cost effectiveness in most respects, bullet proof reliability and build quality/ strength.
I suppose the important part in relation to resale, is to modify sympathetically/ in keeping with the 911 philosophy.
Here is a good example of what not to do
12-11-2012, 05:11 PM
#11
Having had three 3.2 carreras beforehand i know it's not just the 964 that gets modded. If you go on impactbumpers.com you'll find plenty of 74 to 89 cars that have had the "personal touch" applied.
You're just on a forum with likeminded people. Plenty of "normal" folk out there with "normal" 964's that have never heard of rennlist...or pelican, or 911uk.
You're just on a forum with likeminded people. Plenty of "normal" folk out there with "normal" 964's that have never heard of rennlist...or pelican, or 911uk.
12-11-2012, 06:40 PM
#12
as for modification.....mine started it's life with me unable to be all original....I bought it as a project missing the motor and trans and bought what I wanted to complete....I feel it left me room to bring a very old dream to reality...as I will own it until I no longer am on this earth I will do what I wish to it and not worry.....after all I bought it to bring a smile to MY face....not to make money later down the road.....who knows how long that road is, and if you wait and wait....you might miss it all
12-11-2012, 07:14 PM
#13
Burning Brakes
I think it's because the 964 is the first 911 that can be modified easily like a 90's tuner car (eg Subaru, Evo, Skyline etc).
Unlike the earlier cars, you can buy coilovers from the same vendors that supply more popular cars, so parts are more readily available and the path of modification is exactly the same as any other 90s car. Anyone moving to a 964 from say, a WRX will find the 964 to be exactly the same blank canvas for modding, and in a way, I think modding the earlier cars is more forbidding and a dark science in comparison
Also I think the impact bumper cars don't have the aspirational halo-model model that we 964 guys do, which is the Carrera RS.
My impression is that upgrade parts for the earlier 911s are generally only available from 911 specialist brands.
Unlike the earlier cars, you can buy coilovers from the same vendors that supply more popular cars, so parts are more readily available and the path of modification is exactly the same as any other 90s car. Anyone moving to a 964 from say, a WRX will find the 964 to be exactly the same blank canvas for modding, and in a way, I think modding the earlier cars is more forbidding and a dark science in comparison
Also I think the impact bumper cars don't have the aspirational halo-model model that we 964 guys do, which is the Carrera RS.
My impression is that upgrade parts for the earlier 911s are generally only available from 911 specialist brands.
12-11-2012, 08:46 PM
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I'm surprised no one mentioned that these cars are so solid and so many people track them which leads to modifications for performance and robustness.
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12-11-2012, 10:00 PM
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For me, I modded the car because it's a solid platform to work on and that will last for a long time. I added on what many think would be an OE+ type strategy - big brake kit, stainless steel lines, KW V3s to replace the SUV suspension, front carbon fibre strut brace.
The other reason is that this car also has a large number of aftermarket suppliers. I mod my Audi too, and its sooo much harder due to the lack of stuff.
The other reason is that this car also has a large number of aftermarket suppliers. I mod my Audi too, and its sooo much harder due to the lack of stuff.