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Old 01-25-2012, 08:04 AM
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Hi,
Please check your fuel lines.

Have a scary moment. The fuel line going to fuel filter in the engine compartment had a huge leak by the left side while driving. Fuel spray all over left part of engine down the muffler and to the ground. Like pouring a glass of water.

Now would like to change all these fuel lines to Stainless steel wire braided teflon hose.

Has anybody got experience with this site.

http://plumbingmonkey.com/index.php?...ory&path=60_68

Thank you.
Old 01-26-2012, 09:16 AM
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No one used this?
Old 01-26-2012, 09:44 AM
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Sorry no. If you try it, please post your impressions.
Old 01-26-2012, 12:10 PM
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Post over in the racing section. Likely more experience with replacing these things over there.
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Any idea of what caused the problem to the line? Is there a chance that you put E10 fuel in it? Maybe E10 has been introduced in Brunei without telling owners of older cars that it's not suitable and leads to degradation of fuel lines?

The introduction of E10 has become a problem for us in Europe. Some fuel stations only stock E10 and it can't be used in 964s.
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E10 shouldn't be that bad for the car. I agree it's awful stuff and would like to see it gone forever. Most of the U.S. is E10 now and while there have been some problems there is not an epidemic of fuel lines splitting open. I think over the long term we will see more problems.

My bet is that it was simply age and, given the location, temperature extremes.

What problem are you guys encountering in Europe..?
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Originally Posted by KNS

What problem are you guys encountering in Europe..?
We've yet to get E10 in the UK but there have been some examples of owners of early 911s falling foul of it when touring in Europe. Here's one example:

I had trouble with the French 95E10 (10% Ethanol) fuel last year. It pretty much dissolved some of the fuel hose in my 1973 911S during a two week holiday driving to Monaco and back using Monte Carlo Rally roads. I had to replace all of the flexible hoses supplying the mechanical fuel injection unit which amounted to about 3 metres of 8mm hose. The damaged hose was new from Porsche in 1992 when the car was last restored. During my search for replacement hoses I found that Pelican parts now recommend changing fuel hoses every 5 years because of the new fuels that become available. Incidentally the car runs very well on the 10% Ethanol fuel. The old hoses were of the braided covered hoses and you cannot see where the leaks are as the entire braiding gets very wet. The new hoses are non braided and are called "Multi Fuel Hose" usually available from your local Auto Parts shop (not Helpfords).
Admittedly that's an example from an early 911 but this is a press release that has been put out by Porsche over here, which you will see also affects the 964:

E10 is a fuel which contains a higher proportion of ethanol than previous petrol formulations. The “E” stands for ethanol. The number “10” indicates that the fuel contains up to 10% ethanol. Previously the proportion of ethanol in petrol was up to 5%.

E10 fuels are suitable for refuelling and thus for running all Porsche vehicles as of year of construction 1996. Specifically, the Boxster (model year 1997) and Carrera (model year 1998) models onwards.

These new fuels, which can include up to 10% ethanol in the future in accordance with new statutory regulations, can be used in all new Porsche vehicles without any problems.

The fuel types Regular E10 (91 RON) and Unleaded E10 (95 RON) are not suitable for use in the following Porsche vehicle types:

Type Year of construction
356 1950-65
911 1965-89
912 1965-69; 1976
964 1989-94
993 1994-98
959 1988-89
914 1970-77
924 1976-88
944 1981-91
968 1991-95
928 1977-95

These Porsche vehicles may not be run on E10 fuel. As an alternative, Super unleaded (98 RON) can be used. With a maximum bioethanol content of 5% (E5 fuel), Super unleaded is compatible with these vehicles.

Please contact your nearest Porsche Centre for more detailed information.

23/5/2011
Hence why we're a bit worried about the intention to make E10 the 'normal' fuel in the UK too.
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Hmm, what is Porsche to say about all the pre 1997 cars over here running E10? Non ethanol gas is nearly impossible to find over here.
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Originally Posted by boxsey911
Any idea of what caused the problem to the line? Is there a chance that you put E10 fuel in it? Maybe E10 has been introduced in Brunei without telling owners of older cars that it's not suitable and leads to degradation of fuel lines?

The introduction of E10 has become a problem for us in Europe. Some fuel stations only stock E10 and it can't be used in 964s.
Probably because of age. It was never changed since 1992.
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Originally Posted by KNS
Hmm, what is Porsche to say about all the pre 1997 cars over here running E10? Non ethanol gas is nearly impossible to find over here.
The same press notice can also be found on the Porsche USA website:

http://www.porsche.com/usa/accessori...-05-23-classic

...although it doesn't look like they've re-written it for the different US octane ratings.
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Uh, is Porsche aware that in the U.S. about all one can find here is E10..? There are only a handful of areas that one can find non ethanol fuel and those are getting fewer and fewer.



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