911Jetta

Pretty powerful video. Amazing when you think it all starts with a 964 tub.

cobalt

Am I mistaken don't they show the 4.0 engine. Also how do they sell the 3.8 or 4.0 when it specifies in their paperwork for Off Road Use Only.

Jjm4life

They offer a 3.8 and the 4.0.. Not sure if their original 3.6 is even an option anymore . As for how they can sell those engines, how do any of us run them? It's not up to them to pass emissions testing, that's our problem. I'd gladly "deal" with that hassle for one of their 4.0 setups.

Vandit

The Singer posted in this thread looks like it's still a 3.6l. Definitely the most mundane (by Singer standards) motor build they've put out.

https://rennlist.com/forums/964-foru...rs-singer.html

cobalt

It is a bit different to alter a car and run it but to sell it as off road only would mean it cannot be registered. ??? I am assuming they are not california legal?

I agree the 4.0 liter would be an interesting experience.

Jjm4life

I don't think it's different. Car stillness ask Porsche vin, so it still shows whatever the donor cats original mileage eat. We know how much work goes into a singer, but as far as the Feds are concerned it's just a 964

cobalt

If they are using a disclaimer "intended for off road use" I must assume it is not compliant to restrictions applicable to the MY of the car and if the inspection checks for original cats and other EPA equipment as they do in some states not sure how they get away with it. Must be some loophole or are you stuck with a 3.6 in those states. Can't understand why you would pay up for all this and keep the 3.6 at only 270 bhp you can easily achieve that with minor tuning. The real value is in that 4.0 although the 3.8 I have no doubt has some punch.

Jjm4life

I agree, the value is in the larger displacement motors.. As for emissions inspections, other than looking for a cat, do you really think an inspector would ever know what's been done to the motor visually? I have lots of friends in jersey running heavily modified cars. Turbo'd NA motors, meth injection, ect. No issues with inspection. Hell in pa my old evo was running e85.

I'm Massachusetts we follow the same insanely strict guidelines as ca ny and vt, except we don't have the loopholes like sb100. It took me three months to get my noble registered here, and I bought it in state with a legal MA title. My cammed catless 964 breezes through inspection because there's no obd inspection. Just a visual.
I'm sure anyone inspecting a singer will have so much more to look at other than the cat situation. I'm willing to bet it's just a disclaimer in case anyone had an issue. And for 500k, I bet dinger rill go through hoops to make sure your car passes

02m2

I have to say I met Rob early on when he was just started producing cars. I was seriously connsidering buying one of the first cars and think I could of bought one for around $300k. I went to Aria and saw the shells and the quality and thought going in to theses cars is worth every cent of what he is charging for them. I live in CA and my biggest concern at the time was the issue raised here about passing emissions ( guess I should have contacted VW for some advice). I went and found a reasonably clean stripped 72 shell with the idea to build a quality singer equivalent but based on the 72 and using all metal with no glass or cf. have to say we are into year 4 on this build and have fabricated almost every piece of the car. TRE (Dave) is spearheading the build and the guys at Axiom Motorsports are doing the fabrication work. Rothsport built a 3.8 that peaked out at about 345 which is plenty for a spirited street machine. Getting closer and tons of custom touches still to come...... In retrospect...the Singer would have been cheaper and I would have been driving it sooner..but excited with how it is Turing out

Vandit

Do you have a build thread for your >$300k '72 911 project?

EDIT: Found it.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...-72-3-8-a.html

02m2

Yes...that is it coming along....saw it on Saturday..working on some paint on graphics....no vinyl ...so need to get it right...we had caliper paint made to match the car color...looks good in person..

02m2

Ipad does not let me upload more than one pic at a time ..more later..sorry and thanks for the interest

cobalt

So getting the car to pass is the owner's responsibility I would assume? I have a number of friends who own small consignment shops and others that manage large dealerships. All I hear are issues with modified cars and trying to sell them. One owner said he could not sell a 4.0 if it doesn't comply with all the DOT requirements. He didn't have an answer for me but it threw up a huge ? in his mind.

If I can build a car that will keep up with most anything on the track for about the cost of a nice 20k mile 93-94 964 C2 today and look almost as nice as my 3.6T I can only imagine what I can do with an unlimited budget. 345 BHP on street gas is impressive no doubt and Steve is the man to build it. Most of the 3.8 builds I have seen cost a small fortune and gain very little in comparison to the money spent. I have a friend who is contemplating a build now. I recall Geoffrey's 3.8 RSR build and the car in person was impressive but it was a pure race car and not remotely close to street legal with similar power. My stock 3.6 with tune is seeing 280 ft pounds of torque and 291 hp I have to admit it makes a huge difference the extra power would be very nice especially in a car that weighs 2300 pounds?

In NJ if the car is sold through a dealer it has to meet the original DOT requirements for the MY to be sold that is why I questioned the off road use disclaimer? I know of a nice SC that has SSI boxes on it that the seller wanted to trade in and the dealers all don't want to be bothered since they can't locate original exhaust for the car. So the car can be sold privately at the buyer's risk but trading it in is not an option.

BTW it is coming along nicely and I love the color maybe some updates on the progress?

911Jetta

Thanks for sharing your build. Singers are amazing, but I'd have a lot more fun doing a project car the way you are going it. Nice touches all round.

I'm a big fan of frunk oil cooler systems in 911s to distribute weight. (link to thread: Frunk mounted oil tank (ultimate design?)). My eyes nearly popped out of my head when I read that you integrated the oil tank inside the gas tank. WOW. Please share more details of that impressive unit.

02m2

went back to the drawing board on the fuel tank. Didn't like that it looked like a coffin and how the strut braces transversed it. Came up with a lower profile design that is now installed in the car.