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Old 09-07-2010, 03:18 PM
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Default 2,336.9 pound street legal 964 - AP Design

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In trying to keep my German in good shape I sometimes visit German Tuning websites (like the guys at AP-Design) to see what they are up to...
I just found my dream street car (actually it would be a mix of AP and nineMeister):


- 1060 kilograms (half full fuel tank)
- BBS 18-inch magnesium (central locking, 225/40-18 and 265/35-18)
- 3600 cc @ 254 kW (346 hp)
- six-speed manual gearbox from the 993, with differential lock 60/40 percent locking effect
- front six-piston aluminum fixed calipers on 997 GT2, four-piston rear from the 964 Turbo, perforated,
ventilated brake discs with front x 355 mm x 300 mm rear, power brakes, steel braided brake lines
- carbon doors
- rain gutter delete!
- look at that interior!


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http://apcardesign.server.hi-tech-me...pdf/964_ap.pdf
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Nice car!
Old 09-07-2010, 03:23 PM
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How could I forget the engine!
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holy crap. Excuse me while I clean up....
Old 09-07-2010, 04:45 PM
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Nice.
Curious - but no RS fan hub conversion?
Hope it's put in the hands of someone of worthy talent.


Never did understand CF substituting for formerly plastic engine parts.
Goes a bit too much in the ricer direction for my 6-pack tastes.
Old 09-07-2010, 06:02 PM
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That is "seriously" light!
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I've been trying to figure out the widest type wheel to run in the back to give me the biggest lip with some fender clearance. I keep hearing the same responses/sizes but that's only referring to a squared off tire.

A lot of the German tuners/enthusiasts tend to run a slight tire stretch and that rear wheel setup on the 964 looks perfect. Looks to be a 18x10 +47et from the article which coupled with a slightly stretched sidewall tire, looks amazing. I've been trying to find some base numbers to go off and that article/picture helps out a lot.
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wow! I'm in love! Thanks for sharing.
Old 09-08-2010, 07:20 AM
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Looking at projects like this is extremely dangerous for the wallet....
Old 09-08-2010, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by elbeee964
Nice.
Never did understand CF substituting for formerly plastic engine parts.
Goes a bit too much in the ricer direction for my 6-pack tastes.
To save weight. Every little bit helps.

Porsche makes the intake manifolds in plastic for the street cars and carbon fiber for the Cup cars...hardly "ricer"
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They seem to do really good work. Tempting to send the old car over to Germany for a little "refresher".
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Originally Posted by ZAMIRZ
To save weight. Every little bit helps.

Porsche makes the intake manifolds in plastic for the street cars and carbon fiber for the Cup cars...hardly "ricer"
I can see stronger, but, is CF significantly lighter than plastic? What kind of weight savings are we talking about for the intake manifolds? Just curious.
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Originally Posted by Jim Richards
I can see stronger, but, is CF significantly lighter than plastic? What kind of weight savings are we talking about for the intake manifolds?
Zam's right re CF intake runners and plenums on cup engines. [below]
(And damned little use elsewhere on that engine.)

The CF epoxy's and (some of our) plastic intake runner's density is proximate.
Getting significant weight loss means making the CF component much thinner, and a bit more fragile.

My point would be that that spark wire cover (across the fan, above) would be what I'd deem "a bridge too far" in weight-savings credulity.
Ricers may be lighter by dint of their CF quotient, but they're ricers nonetheless because it's there more for fashionable display of conspicuous consumption (over strength required).

Getting rid of that extra pulley and belt would be nice, too!

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Originally Posted by ZAMIRZ
To save weight. Every little bit helps.

Porsche makes the intake manifolds in plastic for the street cars and carbon fiber for the Cup cars...hardly "ricer"
The manifold in the picture is aimed to do more than just save weight, which would be negligible anyway compared to the later plastic type manifolds.

http://www.albertweb.de/fahrzeugkata...auganlage.html
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Anyone noticed the bolt-in cage that has been welded into the tub? Not sure I'd want to be sat in this behind carbon panels if you had a big off ....


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