Just checking in with the 964 crowd - want to make sure I am thinking clearly...

this pricing is ridiculous.... right?????

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Description:
1992 Factory original Carrera Cup car #586

First time offered for sale in full concours condition. Unmodified and un-restored. One of the 20 port cars. Never converted or raced. Records from new including window sticker.
Grand Prix white. No paint work, rust or dents.
Absolutlly no dissappointments.
Best Factory Hot Rod you can buy and drive on the street.
This car is from the Frank Enea collection.
California titled and smogged. All inspections welcome

 

I saw this car personally in April, and was given a ride in it. It's fantastic! Frank has a great eye, and always has the best cars. Wish I could make it happen!!! As to pricing??? I dunno.....

 

I do not doubt that it is great... just curious if the market for these cars, all be it quite rare etc, is at $150K?

I know I know... the market is what someone is willing to pay...

I guess... historically have these sold in this price range?

 

Beautiful car, good luck with that price....

Basically an RS America with a battery cut off switch, and no hood shocks.

150 grand and no sport seats or whale tail !

 

These cars are Uber rare and will command a significant premium. I think the "road worn" cars can be had for half the price, but still nearing $80-90K. This particular car is pristine, and probably worth a premium over the premium. They are truly the only US legal Euro RS cars in the states, save the 2 or 3 that were federalized by a few of our friends on Rennlist. If I had the dough, I would be working some kind of a deal on this car. It looks like it just came off the showroom floor.

 

That price is very aggressive! The strongest prices during the past five or so years have been for the first 25 Andial cars, particularly those that were converted back to race specs after purchase by Andial. Mine, #4, appreciated to the point that I finally sold it, getting a GT3 with 8k miles and a bag of cash in return (then sold the GT3 for $4k more than we valued it in the deal). It was totally refurbed and needed nothing after 25k track-only miles.

The "Port Cars" that were completely legal to Federal Specs and never converted by Andial, have never seemed to command the prices of the Andial cars, although this one is somewhat unique as a museum piece. $150k? No.

 

I have had 2 US Cup cars. One was an Andial car the other a port car. The Andial cars, by far, should command the premium over the port cars. Neither car should demand $150K. That is stupid money, even for a concours car.

For $150,000, you should be able to federalize a 993RS.

 

?????? You ever driven a Real RS... I doubt it...

You better go back and do some more homework....

This car will pull $150K... Very rare and one of the best driving Porsche's of all times.

A 73s is closer to an RS than this car is to an RS America....Do the math on that one....

The RS America was a Marketing Scam that worked... Far from the real thing.

 

Very close to that for a b condition car.... I was into mine north of that...

This is a very rare breed.... More so than a federalized 993 RS...

In the same condition the 993RS will command $40 - $50 K premium...

Just my .02

 

Hmmm ... maybe I shouldn't have sold mine. Nice looking car but 150 is a bit optimistic. I think it's interesting when guys price cars like this ... waaay off the "market" ... I suppose it makes the seller feel good.

I have a high regard for Bob's opinion, but tend to disagree about the (supposedly higher) value of the Andial cars. 964 US Cups don't trade often so it's hard to be precise. My guess is that a super clean, low mileage "port" car has more long-term appreciation potential ... which should (and maybe it isn't currently) be reflected in current value. Personally, I think the Andial premium (if it exists) is an old wives tale which seems to be concentrated in Northern New Jersey. Just my opinion though.

 

There is a price for every car, I agree. But over the years, I have had the opportunity to own several very rare Porsches, so I feel I can talk comfortablely about prices and rarity. In other words, I have put my money where my mouth is....

Although I agree this car is rare, the price, in my opinion, is high. That doesn't mean there is not someone out there that feels differently about it and will pay the money for the car. A fool and there money is always parted...

 

Just my opinion, but outside of value and what they are worth on re-sale, the Andial car is a better car to drive. There is a difference. When I had both of my mine, the Andial car seemed to more fun. If you talk to the people in the know, the story goes that the Andial cars were not completely dissassembled and have a few of the racing parts still on the car. For a collector, maybe not a big deal, for a great track car, a huge deal.

 

Whats it worth then... Thinking about making an offer. I can use this thread as an apraisal.

 

Does it have the dash plaque?

 

Maybe so. And I have a high regard for Jim's opinion. But I'm sure I'll never drive a better car than the US Cup I owned.