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Old 10-31-2008 | 02:11 PM
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Old 10-31-2008 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by doug751
In the USA, the 1989 C4 was the only one available without Airbags. What this means is that you do not need to worry about a 20 year old airbag bowing your head off. Also, you can swap the steering wheel to whatever you like in 20 minutes or less. Finally there is more leg room since the lower dash is open like an old 911. The Airbag 964's have a huge lower dash cover, bum ashtray and cheap glovebox.
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Old 11-01-2008 | 01:18 AM
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I have a 90 C4 without airbags or sunroof. My 90 has had 70,000 kilometers of trouble free fun.
Old 11-01-2008 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by holy911
What years seems to have the least issues or the better reliability?
The one you got that has not emptied your wallet?
Old 11-01-2008 | 07:59 PM
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My '89 C4 was wonderful, my '91 C2 is as equally fantastic!

If these cars were 5 years old then the question would be relevant, however, after 20 years, any problems pertaining to a specific model year have been fixed. Just get a PPI and you are golden!
Old 11-01-2008 | 09:20 PM
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I used to think that '93s were the best after 5 trouble free years with my '93 as a dd.

But then I discovered that '92s are, in fact, the best.
Old 11-01-2008 | 09:40 PM
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Its interesting that a few of you have mentioned that the 964 is the last of the hand built Porsche. What does that really mean? Parts, assembly, etc. Is that a good thing? why?
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Old 11-01-2008 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by psiegel
Its interesting that a few of you have mentioned that the 964 is the last of the hand built Porsche. What does that really mean? Parts, assembly, etc. Is that a good thing? why?
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I'd be curious to know what folks mean by it, too. I know in the 964 era they would manufacture the car and then have a checklist of "known defects" that they would go fix afterwards. With the 993, in addition to introducing true "just in time" manufacturing, they also re-worked the assembly process to remove the known defects up-front. Makes sense, eh?

Otherwise, if you go to the factory today (I've been there), the cars are assembled by hand. What does that mean? There are doo-dads hanging on karts waiting for each car (e.g., a particular car's dash is shuttled over by an automated kart as the car arrives at an assembly station, a guy/gal takes the dash off the kart and screws it into the car by hand - is that assembly by hand?)

The only part that is put on the 911s/Boxsters by machine is the windshield.

While watching the assembly line, I did get to watch two workers drop an engine and tranny assembly on the floor while trying to put it into a 996. Doh!
Old 11-02-2008 | 12:36 AM
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Any ones with out Flag mirrors are your best shot...

As long as they came from the factory that way that is...
Old 11-06-2008 | 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by psiegel
Its interesting that a few of you have mentioned that the 964 is the last of the hand built Porsche. What does that really mean? Parts, assembly, etc. Is that a good thing? why?
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964 = approx 700 man/hours to build
993 = approx 70 man/hours

They HAD to do this, otherwise they would have gone broke!!!

There's a video somewhere on Youtube, showing the old guy with the small wooden mallet at the ned of the 964 body line... feeling the WHOLE body by hand and tap tap tapping out any small imperfections...
Old 11-06-2008 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnMetro
964 = approx 700 man-hours to build
993 = approx 70 man-hours...
Cayenne = 12 man-minutes [-- less on Fridays]

(some) old guy with the small wooden mallet at the end of the 964 body line... feeling the WHOLE body by hand and tap tap tapping out any small imperfections...
...man, you just described what sometimes feels like my garage time.
Old 11-06-2008 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnMetro
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There's a video somewhere on Youtube, showing the old guy with the small wooden mallet at the ned of the 964 body line... feeling the WHOLE body by hand and tap tap tapping out any small imperfections...
I recently watched a Discovery Channel show on Ferrari. I believe it was made in 2004-2005. They were still doing this with each body - kinda like 3 or 4 PDR guys roving around, sighting down the body and tapping on it with mallets. All the while, they were crowing about their improved assembly efficiency. Guess there's no substitute for TLC - but I doubt they do this at Lexus.



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