Naptown

Ok. So I needed a new clutch. I have as 89 C4 and knew I needed to remove the engine to change the clutch. I also thought what a good time to do some other misc things. I went in today at 8am and left at 10:00pm and still couldn't get the mother f@@#@% engine out. I even have a full blown lift. So I disconnected everything and removed the 4 bolts (including the one above the starter) and removed the "pin" that goes into the tranny as well. Had the engine on a large rolling table and started to pull to the engine away from the car. The engine and tranny started to separate nicely. Made sure that the engine and the tranny were evenly lined up. Then the pulley's on the engine were touching the back bumper. Well **** I thought. I removed the back bumper and it definitely helped but still couldn't get the bolts to slide all the way out of the tranny. I'm out of ideas. Left her sitting like that tonight. Hopefully able to get the engine out tomorrow. Anyone have a clue on what I can do or what I haven't done?

Thanks.

Pingo

It's easier to remove the engine and transmission as one unit.

Rocket Rob

+1 on dropping both together. I changed my clutch last winter and used three references.

1) This DIY posting = https://rennlist.com/forums/diy-964-1989-1994-911/230773-c4-engine-and-tranny-drop.html
2) Adrian's book
3) Factory manual

springer3

+2. Removing just the engine was the way to go on air-cooled VWs, but I have never heard of anyone removing just the engine on any 911.

garrett376

As the others have said, but less bluntly: You have to remove the tranny on a C4 to get the engine out!!!

Fred's 964

Remove them both together. To separate them, I removed the shaft that the throw-out fork pivots on. Very hard to do in the car. You will probably want to replace the needle bearings on the shaft anyway. Special tool or creativity needed to remove the shaft. Leaving the tranny attached is the easy part considering all you've done. I removed both in about 5-6 hours on my first try. Could do it in 3 hours now. Piece of cake thanks to the write ups found on this site. Thanks to those who documented your engine removal.

BTW, removing the engine just for detailing and to replace a few gaskets and seals. Will do the
60k mile service while it is out. I have the 993 to keep my P-car blood flowing in the mean time...

Naptown

oh my god. i was using the pelican parts engine drop DIY write up. it says leave the tranny in. i want to kill myself. thanks for clearing this up.

Naptown

I got you out. You bastard!

Rocket Rob

Congratulations!

Naptown

I noticed I had a decent size leak coming from just in front of the right rear tire. So I pulled the panels to find this items. It appears that there is only 1 rubber hose back there and the rest are metal fittings. I pulled the small hose and checked for cracks and couldn't find any. The clamps seemed to be tight as well. Any ideas on what could cause a leak back there?

Naptown

Also, the pan that the engine sits in looked a bit rusty. I was thinking about removing it and taking it to get sandblasted and powdercoated. Do people do this?

ilko

Just replace the hose. It's been on the car for 15 years and it's due. You won't necessarily find a crack or a hole in it just by visual inspection.

ThomasC2

Having a lift like that when you remove your engine is almost cheating!

Naptown

Almost. But you should have seen us trying to remove it with the tranny still attached. It was ridiculous. As you can see we removed the rear bumper and the fabspeed exhaust and still couldn't get the thing to drop with the tranny. I feel retarded for following the Pelican Parts DIY engine drop. It kept saying you don't need to drop the tranny. Blah Blah. Oh well. A lesson well learned.

Naptown

Thanks for the advice. I will replace it as well as the clamps.

It also appears that there is a small leak coming from one of the injectors. Is this common?