964 Turbo or 965???
01-21-2008, 04:27 PM
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I'm intrigued by your assertion, zicoramone, that Frere's claim "is true, but still incorrect." What he claims, then (if I understand you correctly), is true but false.
The point is simple, zicoramone: a name is different from the object that it designates. Like Streather and Ludvigsen, you focus on the object--the 965, "a 1988 planned range topping four cam twin-turbo"; I've noted that the "965" designation--the "965" name--has several verifiable applications and that each of those applications has currency. In his letter to me, Frere describes the 965--the car--before noting that the "965" designation is used among "among the Weissach people" to identify 964-series Turbos.
Like you, I have read the relevant works of Ludvigsen and Streather. Unlike you, however, I am not willing to use their work so hastily--and to make such a blind appeal to them--to close a discussion--particularly when such an effort, punctuated with "no discussion," is one which is based on a fundamental failure to differentiate a name and its object.
I suspect that you will continue to refer to 964-series Turbos as "964-series Turbos"; others, however, will use--and have grounds for the use of--"965" when they label their 964-series Turbos.
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The point is simple, zicoramone: a name is different from the object that it designates. Like Streather and Ludvigsen, you focus on the object--the 965, "a 1988 planned range topping four cam twin-turbo"; I've noted that the "965" designation--the "965" name--has several verifiable applications and that each of those applications has currency. In his letter to me, Frere describes the 965--the car--before noting that the "965" designation is used among "among the Weissach people" to identify 964-series Turbos.
Like you, I have read the relevant works of Ludvigsen and Streather. Unlike you, however, I am not willing to use their work so hastily--and to make such a blind appeal to them--to close a discussion--particularly when such an effort, punctuated with "no discussion," is one which is based on a fundamental failure to differentiate a name and its object.
I suspect that you will continue to refer to 964-series Turbos as "964-series Turbos"; others, however, will use--and have grounds for the use of--"965" when they label their 964-series Turbos.
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I'm sorry about my "no discussion" phrase. It wasn't a very happy one (sometimes it's not so easy to express to us that don't have the English as a native language). Actually I like to discuss it and I also respect your valid point of view.
01-21-2008, 09:50 PM
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Your English skill are more than satisfactory, zicoramone--particularly if English is not your primary language. And your description of the 965--the car--and of the facts surrounding that car is one with which I do not take issue. You obviously have a sound understanding of Porsche cars and company history.
I think that we can agree that the engineers at Weissach--at Porsche's research and development center--who use the "965" designation to refer to 964-series Turbos do not need to revise their use of that designation based on the work of Ludvigsen or Streather. They and others use "965" as a name for a series of 911 Turbos. That designation has become entrenched in many Porsche enthusiasts' vocabularies, and its use is not intended to imply that one object--a 965--is identical to another object--a 964 Turbo.
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I think that we can agree that the engineers at Weissach--at Porsche's research and development center--who use the "965" designation to refer to 964-series Turbos do not need to revise their use of that designation based on the work of Ludvigsen or Streather. They and others use "965" as a name for a series of 911 Turbos. That designation has become entrenched in many Porsche enthusiasts' vocabularies, and its use is not intended to imply that one object--a 965--is identical to another object--a 964 Turbo.
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Parts starting with 964, 993, 996 and other numbers are interchangeable between several models. At times, an updated part, lets say, for a 996, could be used on a 993 and the 993 didn't become a 996 because of that. Even if the part number starting with 996 had it's part number updated in porsche's official parts list for the 993. The same way a part from a 964 could be used on the 993. In this case, The 933 still continues to be a 993.
When the 964 was built for the first time, not all of it's parts had a part number beginning with 964.
Calling a 964 a 965 is just wrong.*The correct is 964 turbo ( 3.3 or 3.6)
When the 964 was built for the first time, not all of it's parts had a part number beginning with 964.
Calling a 964 a 965 is just wrong.*The correct is 964 turbo ( 3.3 or 3.6)
