Notices
964 Forum 1989-1994
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

964 Cup vs. RS/NGT?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-09-2007, 12:05 PM
  #1  
bgiere
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
bgiere's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: in a racecar somewhere...
Posts: 3,384
Received 53 Likes on 44 Posts
Default 964 Cup vs. RS/NGT?

What are the differences? is the RS/NGT still a competent race car?
Old 05-09-2007, 01:14 PM
  #2  
JC in NY
Burning Brakes
 
JC in NY's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: www.cupcar.net
Posts: 1,199
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

They are basically the same thing. The Cup is a special designation for the cars that were used in the Carrera Cup and Supercup races and they had the racing "Cup" suspension fitted. It is very easy to take an RS/NGT or club sport and convert it to "Cup" specs.
Old 05-09-2007, 01:24 PM
  #3  
bgiere
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
bgiere's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: in a racecar somewhere...
Posts: 3,384
Received 53 Likes on 44 Posts
Default

Hi Jc,

You know where I'm going with this....Have you seen Robs car?
Old 05-09-2007, 01:41 PM
  #4  
JC in NY
Burning Brakes
 
JC in NY's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: www.cupcar.net
Posts: 1,199
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Yes I have seen it. Not in a few years tho.
Old 05-09-2007, 02:02 PM
  #5  
ltc
Super Moderator
Needs More Cowbell

Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
ltc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 29,323
Likes: 0
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
Default

There is a yellow one for sale, $75K, in the PCA Mart, Race Cars section, as of today.
Old 05-09-2007, 03:32 PM
  #6  
bgiere
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
bgiere's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: in a racecar somewhere...
Posts: 3,384
Received 53 Likes on 44 Posts
Default

Shhh....that's the one I was eyeing up....
Old 05-09-2007, 05:59 PM
  #7  
cupcar86
Advanced
 
cupcar86's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

I remember reading that where the 964 cup car engines were pulled from the assembly line and dynoed to make sure they were all equal, the RS engines were built from hand picked parts with the best tolerances. Urban legend perhaps but after 15 years it is kind of a moot point.
Old 05-10-2007, 12:01 AM
  #8  
Jeff Curtis
Race Car
 
Jeff Curtis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Virginia Beach, Va.
Posts: 3,706
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

NGT?? ...help me out here guys.
Old 05-10-2007, 02:06 AM
  #9  
Anatol
Racer
 
Anatol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Vienna, St. Gallen, Stuttgart - Europe
Posts: 320
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Jeff,
NGT is the 964 RS with M003 option: welded in cage, no carpets at all and some other specialties.
Old 05-10-2007, 09:17 PM
  #10  
fstockcarrera
Rennlist Member
 
fstockcarrera's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Schenectady NY
Posts: 846
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by bgiere
Shhh....that's the one I was eyeing up....
Why would you want a N/GT when there is a 964 cup in the Garage. 75k...... the cups just went up in value

Bob

Last edited by fstockcarrera; 05-11-2007 at 12:14 AM.
Old 05-10-2007, 11:02 PM
  #11  
SimonExtreme
Burning Brakes
 
SimonExtreme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 883
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Jeff Curtis
NGT?? ...help me out here guys.
Technically, that should be written N/GT. These were the FIA classes that the car was homologated for - Group n and GT class.
Old 05-11-2007, 02:22 AM
  #12  
Cupcar#12
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Cupcar#12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Apex, NC
Posts: 2,426
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

i'm scratching my head right now - So an RS N/GT (nee M003) when you have a Cup?
Old 05-11-2007, 08:27 AM
  #13  
cupcar86
Advanced
 
cupcar86's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Bob,
It has the super go fast 3.8 wing. Need I say more except that you guys got faster after you took the 3.8 wing off and put the stock tail back on. Where is JC in NY to defend me against you cup car guys?
Old 05-11-2007, 08:41 AM
  #14  
cupcar86
Advanced
 
cupcar86's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Actually the RS N/GT's are accomplished racecars in their own right - they raced extensively in the BPR Global GT series that was formed after a Mr. B. Ecclestone and Mosley destroyed the World Sportscar Challenge. That's why they have such a huge gas tank (91L) which I made the mistake of filling last time I was at Lime Rock - the car handled just a bit differently that with the usual 5 gallons up front!
Old 05-11-2007, 08:48 AM
  #15  
Superunknown
Racer
 
Superunknown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: S.Wales UK
Posts: 273
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Rob,

What does the graphic say on your car? Is it 'cymru'?


Quick Reply: 964 Cup vs. RS/NGT?



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 09:21 AM.