cobalt

I can only assume that the car I saw had special ordered hood. They did use the carbon/Kevlar hood on the 92 turbo correct? If so it must have been fitted to the black RSR i saw. It was very obvious that the hood had a weave to it under the piant just like the body panels on the Ferrari F50. I recall the owner of the car claiming the RSR cost him over $200k from the factory back then.

Cupcar

Paul Frere in his book Porsche 911 Story describes the car on pages 302 and 303 of the 7th ed.

Here are points of difference to 3.6 Carrera RS

• Built at Weissach racing department
• Based on Turbo body with aluminum doors and biplane spoiler
• Wheels 9J X 18 and 11J X 18, tires 235/40 and 285/35 front and rear respectively
• Turbo S brakes
• 92 Liter fuel tank standard
• 1210 kg weight with 92 Liters of fuel- (10 kg less than a 3.6 with 77 liters fuel)
• 3.8 Liter engine with individual throttle bodies, bigger intake (51.5 mm) and (43.5 mm) exhaust valves, higher compression (11.6:1)
• 300 PS at 6500 RPM 360 NM at 5250 RPM
• dual front oil coolers
• 40/20% LSD, otherwise gearbox as 3.6
• Price 220,000 DM
• Clubsport option with roll cage, fire extinguisher, racing brake pads and racing clutch for 10,000 DM extra
• Only other options were a radio and diver side airbag

This appears to be exactly as I saw in Ludigsburg in 1993

Geoffrey

I have to think that the engine HP was more like 340hp regardless of what it was advertised at.

Cupcar

Here are more pictures I took in Ludwigsburg 1993, note the Turbo body, 9 and 11 inch 3 piece wheels, Turbo S brakes and individual throttle bodies on the engine just as in Frere's book:

Adrian

Yes the RS 3.8 was fitted with Turbo brakes (928 pads) and with the Turbo wheels for the road version. However for the body section here are the pages related to the body out of the Porsche Motorsports parts catalogue. Either Paul Frere or Porsche got it wrong in this case.
The first page says what the Basis of the body is and the second page provides the parts which were made for the body of the RS 3.8 which were not used on the 3.6L Carrera RS.
Ciao,
Adrian.

cbnz

Hi Adrian

Please can you change the spelling of Carrera in your signature!

Regards, Craig.

NineMeister

You see, there's the real difference between the Kiwis and the Aussies....Kiwis can spell !!



(CB now runs for cover to avoid flying boomerangs.)

Cupcar

Interesting, I wonder if they had to start with the Body in White part number 964.500.900.01 which is the seam welded body for the 3,6 RS and Porsche added flares to it rather than use the part number 965.500.900.00 Body in White which has the flares already?

If this is so it must be a technical issue with the FIA, the car clearly has a Turbo body shape. I wonder what is the easier way to go, add flares to the 3,6 RS body or start with a Turbo body and do the seam welding etc.

Note that the list you provide shows aluminum doors as Frere said.

Arn't the 3.6 Turbo wheels 8 and 10 inch wide front and rear rather than the 9 and 11 of the 3.8 RS? My photos show wider wheels than a 3,6 Turbo.

Do you mean that the rear brakes have 928 pads, is this what the Turbo S has? It looks to me as though the rear caliper in my photo is a normal 3,6 Turbo caliper.

The front brakes in my photo are clearly 3.6 Turbo brakes which do not use a 928 size pad like the 3,6 RS did in the front.

Adrian

I should have been more specific. The RS 3.8 wheels have 965 part numbers and yes they are 9x18 fronts and 11x18 rears, but you can have the optional 17 inch wheels as well. The offsets are also different at the rear because the RS 3.8 uses the Carrera 3.6 rear setup. This is all described in my book in which I used the parts catalogue and a real 964 RS 3.8 as my references.

I don't know what the Turbo S uses for brake pads maybe somebody can find the special parts catalogue for it and let us know. The RS 3.8 uses 928 pads on the front and 964 Turbo (965 part number) pads on the rear.

The pages posted above clearly state where to go look for the body part number and it even says they use the same picture numbers in the Carrera RS 3.6 microfiche.
Any claim that Porsche Motorspsorts used a turbo body and seam welded it to make the RS 3.8 Turbo-look body is not supported by any paperwork. In my opinion such a conclusion would be similar to other unfounded claims about other special Porsche models made on this forum and elsewhere like seam welded bodies were used for you know what? And special hand picked engines were used for you know what? But white ones go faster.
Ciao,
Adrian.

Cupcar

I can't quite read the print on the page of your scan, so can't see if it says 3,6 or 3,8 so that is the problem I had.

The 3,6 Turbo uses a 928 part number on the front pad since the late 928s used this caliper with a 10 mm wider than RS 3,6 pad as well.

I bet the RS 3,8 and Turbo S used the same brakes as the Turbo 3,6.

Adrian

I was just testing. It has been that way for quite some time actually. I never noticed and not that I care that much, but I changed it.
Ciao,
Adrian.

Adrian

Don't know because I don't have the Turbo S parts catalogue.
The RS 3.8 front callipers are 965.351.425 (426).10 and the rears are 964.352.421 (422).80.
Front disks (rotors) are 965.351.045 (046).00 and the rear disks are the same part number as the Carrera RS 3.6 uses.
Ciao,
Adrian.

PS: All this will be pretty irrelevant when looking at the race car versions especially in the series where single wheel nuts were permitted. The data above is for the RS 3.8 basic and clubsport versions which could be road registered in some countries. By 1995 the 964 RSR had been somewhat further developed and I don't have the Porsche Motorsports catalogue for them.

JimB

Grrr... I'm thinking real hard about bolting my suspension into Karen's Cayman and making Colin regret the day he submitted that rule change.

Of course I found this thread out doing research on the RS. What a beautiful car.

Someone's going to pay!

Larry Herman

Colin's always trying to get more cars into D to race against. I guess since he can't willingly convince people, he has to **** them off so that they come after him! Go get'um Jim. I'll miss you.

38D

I will soon not care what happens in D

I still think the power package rule makes sense. However, the 993RSs should be bumped up to B too.