Notices
964 Forum 1989-1994
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

A Rare Privelage - 1991 C4RS Lightweight

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-28-2006, 10:23 PM
  #1  
Geoffrey
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
 
Geoffrey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Kingston, NY
Posts: 8,305
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 10 Posts
Default A Rare Privelage - 1991 C4RS Lightweight

I was working on a gentleman's 993RSR today and he took me home to see something special. In his garage was one of the 14 C4RS Lightweight cars. I have seen pictures, but never one in person let along being able to crawl all over it. I can say that it would be one car that I'd add to my collection if I could.
Old 10-28-2006, 10:30 PM
  #2  
DrJupeman
Rennlist Member
 
DrJupeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 9,170
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Old 10-28-2006, 10:34 PM
  #3  
garrett376
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
 
garrett376's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,422
Received 612 Likes on 468 Posts
Default

They are incredible cars with fascinating technology... I've seen one that was down the street and have collected tons of pictures of them - very neat cars indeed.

PS Holy cow my 3000th post!!!
Old 10-28-2006, 11:07 PM
  #4  
Bill Verburg
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Bill Verburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 12,358
Received 566 Likes on 390 Posts
Default

Heres a few












Old 10-29-2006, 12:00 AM
  #5  
ltc
Super Moderator
Needs More Cowbell

Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
ltc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 29,323
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

Bent hood prop rod in the picture?

Looks to be a sister car to this one:
http://rpmsportscars.com/door25.htm

More pics:
http://rpmsportscars.com/door25a.htm
Old 10-29-2006, 01:34 AM
  #6  
Smokin
Three Wheelin'
 
Smokin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Pasadena, MD - Land of Taxes
Posts: 1,879
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Bill... Absolutely beautiful pictures of that car! WOW!
Old 10-29-2006, 03:55 AM
  #7  
David P
Instructor
 
David P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 249
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Very cool. The engine looks almost too clean! Is it ever used?

Davidp
Old 10-29-2006, 05:02 AM
  #8  
SimonExtreme
Burning Brakes
 
SimonExtreme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 883
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

They are beutiful but, IMO, totally pointless! Why would you want FWD on such a car? Now, if they had made a proper attempt at turning it into a rally car, it would have been great but, for the track, I would take a 2WD car to the same spec every time! Still doesn't stop you loving the engineering!
Old 10-29-2006, 08:01 AM
  #9  
Atgani
Burning Brakes
 
Atgani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 1,136
Received 486 Likes on 231 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by SimonExtreme
They are beutiful but, IMO, totally pointless! Why would you want FWD on such a car? Now, if they had made a proper attempt at turning it into a rally car, it would have been great but, for the track, I would take a 2WD car to the same spec every time! Still doesn't stop you loving the engineering!
Possibly the basis for the Paris-Dakar cars Simon ?
Old 10-29-2006, 08:29 AM
  #10  
DrJupeman
Rennlist Member
 
DrJupeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 9,170
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

If that's the original factory setup, it makes you wonder why they didn't put those headers/exhaust on the Cups.

It also appears to use a totally different brake system.
Old 10-29-2006, 08:52 AM
  #11  
Geoffrey
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
 
Geoffrey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Kingston, NY
Posts: 8,305
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

The car Bill pictured is not the car I saw, but this one had the same bent prop rod.

Regarding the FWD. The transmission used in these cars is either a 959 rally or a derivitive of that transmission (I was told it was the former). The ***** on the dash allow you to adjust the differentials from side to side and front to rear so it is totally adjustable. The car had beautiful set of headers, an M64/01 engine rated at 300hp. The brake system is a manual, no ABS system with an adjustable bias control on the center tunnel and no parking brake. The car has no heat.
Old 10-29-2006, 11:45 AM
  #12  
Bill Verburg
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Bill Verburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 12,358
Received 566 Likes on 390 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by DrJupeman
If that's the original factory setup, it makes you wonder why they didn't put those headers/exhaust on the Cups.

It also appears to use a totally different brake system.
Dual masters, no power, adjustable bias from the drivers seat.

Everywhere you look there is another astounding feature, If you casually walk by it you would never know.

The exhaust has 964 part #s, The 993 Cups did have headers, just not quite like those.
Old 10-29-2006, 12:22 PM
  #13  
Geoffrey
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
 
Geoffrey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Kingston, NY
Posts: 8,305
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

Actually, the valve next to the seat is the parking brake, not a bias valve.
Old 10-29-2006, 12:26 PM
  #14  
kgorman
Drifting
 
kgorman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 2,482
Received 41 Likes on 22 Posts
Default

These cars are so amazing. One other interesting thing is they had wider d90's. I think 8/9 right? Also, the one in the pics Bill posted has the earlier steel manifold vs the redesigned plastic one. There is something amazing about a clean stripped interior, the whole minimalistic thing fits Porsches so well.
Old 10-29-2006, 12:32 PM
  #15  
Andy Roe
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Andy Roe's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Bologna, Italy
Posts: 3,605
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

The D90 were wider, and made of Magnesium! I think they we geared differently with a top end of only about 120mph or so? 0-60 in around 4 secs I think!! Weren't these caught in some sort of rule change that resulted in them never being raced?


Quick Reply: A Rare Privelage - 1991 C4RS Lightweight



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 07:20 AM.