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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 07:25 PM
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Probably need to spend more time at the track

Just kidding - going in a straight line (or an oval even) is much less challenging and much less can happen, so I see your point.
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Kahdmus
Marc, Do you really think 100mph is reckless? In a 964?
Seriously, its often almost impossible NOT to do 100mph in these cars on the freeway.
Surely you jest. Just take your foot off the gas. 100 on I280 is reckless any time, you never know what has fallen off some pickup or Harley.
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Devils_son
Save on a track? Since when?

I reckon that under good conditions going flat out on a German Autobahn is much safer. I've had pleanty of "moments" on the track. I never had any problem with 160 mph + on the Autobahn.
The Autobahn is a little different than the highways of the USA... Don't you think? I've never driven on the Autobahn but I'd love to.

The average speed on the highways in my neck of the woods is 80 - 85MPH. (In the fast lane that is...)
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Old Feb 17, 2006 | 12:37 PM
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I have reached 140+ in my car shortly after I got it. It was fun for the few seconds I was there but then I suddenly realized what the penalties would be if I were caught. This was done with no other motorists in sight. (Or I wouldn't have done it.) While driving now, if there are no other drivers in sight, I routinely reach 100MPH while driving the long highways... But that's about it. I agree with Howard, I see soccer moms and other types yaking away on their cell phones, putting on make-up, guys shaving, etc. that are far more reckless than me going over the speed limit. I think everyone who has had their Porsche for any time has pushed the speed limit and broken the law. I hope that they have not done it in a reckless manner. (Though some would argue that driving in excess is in itself a reckless act... I'm sure the Police would see it that way!)

Howard... Marc pointed out that 140 was reckless.. Not 100... I would assume that part of Marc's job is to sort of discourage posts like these for the sake of the site and John D. I know that I have posted threads before dealing with speeding. I stopped because I don't want to encourage anyone else or leave the impression with anyone that Rennlist.com condones excessive speeding.
Rick, glad I am not the only one who feels this way! I believe marc is responding to Brians post where he refers to "going over 100mph If you read the post above and then below. I agree that 140mph is likely to be reckless in most situations on public roads as there is just no way to know what other people are going to do and still allow yourself decent time to react.

BTW, I think anyone who owns a Porsche is generally accepted to condone speeding in some form or another! LMAO!
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Old Feb 17, 2006 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by stevepaa
Surely you jest. Just take your foot off the gas. 100 on I280 is reckless any time, you never know what has fallen off some pickup or Harley.
No Steve I dont 'jest' at all. I agree that the roads here are the absolute worst in the world and I280 in particular is simply a disgrace to your state. However I would still argue that my car, given its size, acceleration, suspension, engineering, stopping ability, vision from the cockpit and a million other things is far safer than the dozens of californians (who I have no qualms in stating are also the worst drivers I have ever, ever encountered) sitting on their cell phones, while doing their makeup and playing with their in-car entertainment systems at 80mph in their oversized 6mpg SUV's and people carriers designed to carry 24 people across arctic tundra.

I do not cruise in my car at 100mph but admittedly the needle in my car has touched 100mph a fair few times. If yours has not I suggest you are driving the wrong type of vehicle to justify your maintenance costs....ever considered a Town & Country?

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Old Feb 17, 2006 | 01:40 PM
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For the record: I'm married and have two boys who play soccer so I guess that makes my wife a soccer mom. Yes she drives a SUV (kinda) but I swear she doesn't behave in the way which is being frequently described across the boards. I probably picked out a good model
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Old Feb 17, 2006 | 01:47 PM
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I 5 in the central valley , big , wide , smooth , not much for on ramps or off ramps , no cross traffic and me put putting along at 60 . I can see myself driving safely along that at 140 mph + . My car gets better mpg at 140 than arnolds suv gets at 60 . My car is safer at 140 than some of the stuf I see on the road going 60 . I would like to see people get tested at driving skill and then be rated for top speed . Same with cars . Old one eyed man rated to 40 mph driveing an old worn out truck rated to 35 mph . 35 y.o. with lots of driver training rated at unlimited in a car rated for 150 , and so on . This one size fits all system is funny .
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Old Feb 17, 2006 | 02:39 PM
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Howard... I beg to differ... Maryland has the worst drivers! (I'm a transplanted Virginian!)

Kris... Sorry... I use "soccer moms" as a generic description. Certainly all soccer mom's aren't poor drivers. But I know a few (male and female) that scare me to death when I get into the car/van with them... So I try to limit my travel with them or drive myself. (I have a buddy who I can't believe is still alive because I am not constantly there to scream, "LOOK OUT!")

Indycam... That is an excellent idea... But unfortunately the one eyed man still has to share the road with that 35 year old. I agree that there should be much more driver training throughout the country. The USA passes out drivers licenses like PEZ.
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Old Feb 17, 2006 | 02:44 PM
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I lost my licence for six months when I was a wee lad of 16 driving my 1968 Firebird 400 around the 135-150 mph mark on a straight back country road in MN....the cops clocked me, then caught up with me 20 mins later where I parked my car....My parents at the time took away driving privilages for an additional six months...and I ended up having to sell the car. Fastest I have had my present speed machine is about 120...on an empty road.
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Old Feb 17, 2006 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by kris
For the record: I'm married and have two boys who play soccer so I guess that makes my wife a soccer mom. Yes she drives a SUV (kinda) but I swear she doesn't behave in the way which is being frequently described across the boards. I probably picked out a good model
Kris - yup no offense to soccer mums, it just seems a typical stereotype. I drive an SUV too and so does the wife to haul around the kids. (I don't drive anything even approaching 100mph, or even 80mph for that matter and I never, ever use the phone while driving, shave, put on makeup (rarely anyway), smoke, read etc, etc.)

Rick - your dead wrong mate! ... come to the bay area, you'll be amazed!



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Old Feb 17, 2006 | 03:24 PM
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I remember years ago when a group of my friends were going up to Mosport for a DE. They were running as a pack probably at about 95 or 100 when a group of State Troopers pulled them over. The troopers were pissed, and besides the mandatory trip to jail, with their hands on top of their cars, they cuffed each of them and made certain to drag the cuffs across the roofs, requiring a repaint on each car. That probably made more of an impact than the tickets.
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Old Feb 17, 2006 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Kahdmus
I do not cruise in my car at 100mph but admittedly the needle in my car has touched 100mph a fair few times. If yours has not I suggest you are driving the wrong type of vehicle to justify your maintenance costs....ever considered a Town & Country?

Maintenance costs are low as I do it all myself. My last Porsche was a 912. I don't drive them to speed, I like how they handle. Anything will do +100, even a 67 corvair.

Our roads are not suited for those speeds. What with potholes, junk falling from pickups, etc, anyone considering the difference between 65 and +100 mph and the kinetic energy of your car and anything hitting it, would probably think twice.
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Old Feb 17, 2006 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by stevepaa
Maintenance costs are low as I do it all myself. My last Porsche was a 912. I don't drive them to speed, I like how they handle. Anything will do +100, even a 67 corvair.
I feel the same way and will always enjoy an afternoon on the twisties more than I would the track, no question.

Not sure I see the relevence of the "67 Corvair" comment? ...the point is that our cars hit 100mph so quickly and effortlessly, often, and here's the potentially scary part, without the sensation of going fast at all. In all my other cars I would not DREAM of travelling at anything remotely approaching high speed, however in the Porsche its very easy to do often without realizing it.

The other piece of this is that here we have a car designed to travel quickly and stop quickly. I personally think its a valid point to suggest that, although we cannot change the rules, different allowances can be made for vehicles of highly (HIGHLY!!!) different capabilities in different conditions and circumstances. Driving a porsche at a steady 35mph in a 50mph zone....yet with 8 people piled inside during a snowstorm and with limited visibilty due to thick fog, meets MY definition of reckless..maybe not yours because its not breaking the speed limit.

Driving on an empty road, that you are fully familiar and aquainted with, in great conditions and excellent visibility at high speed is not necessarily reckless in my humblest of opinions.

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Old Feb 17, 2006 | 04:10 PM
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"But unfortunately the one eyed man still has to share the road with that 35 year old."
I know how to treat slow moving / stopped vehicles . I am not going to blast past the old guy . I'm going to drive with respect for him and for his safety . Have you ever seen the cars from different classes running at the same time on a track ?
Have you ever seen a cop car speeding ? Going way faster than the speed limit ? Are they super human ? Are cops cars better than my 964 ? When they speed , they are on the road with the old one eye guy . They know how to make it work and I don't ?

When I drive my old vw van , I'm speeding at 60 and feel unsafe .
When I drive my 964 , I sometimes forget to shift into 5th at 60.
I'm safer and more fuel efficient at 100 in the 964 that at 60 in the van .
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