Hammer First Impressions (long)
06-05-2006, 10:18 AM
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Ingo,
Agreed ! I was once able to use either a KTS300 or a PST2 by choice. For a 964 I used the KTS300.
Simply because it is a bit easier to get to what you wanted . Both units did the same thing !
Just in case Hammer owners still feel short changed , I once used one to do some serious diagnostics on a road GT1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Geoff
Agreed ! I was once able to use either a KTS300 or a PST2 by choice. For a 964 I used the KTS300.
Simply because it is a bit easier to get to what you wanted . Both units did the same thing !
Just in case Hammer owners still feel short changed , I once used one to do some serious diagnostics on a road GT1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All the best
Geoff
06-05-2006, 09:38 PM
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I just bought another KTS II card for $600 so there are not "unobtainium" ( is that a new imaginary element from the new X men movie?) A PST2 clone usually runs around $3,500 to $4,000. But then it will do every Porsche from the mid 80's up thru the 2004 models. Try checcking a 986, 993TT, 996 or Cayenne on a Hammer...
And I have used mine on cars from a 944 up thru two Carrera GTs that were showing a check engine light. My mechanic wants mine... He says his PST2 takes 30 minutes to check a Cayenne and my IBM takes 7 minutes.
And I have used mine on cars from a 944 up thru two Carrera GTs that were showing a check engine light. My mechanic wants mine... He says his PST2 takes 30 minutes to check a Cayenne and my IBM takes 7 minutes.
06-05-2006, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPcar
I just bought another KTS II card for $600 ... A PST2 clone usually runs around $3,500 to $4,000.
06-05-2006, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPcar
The hammer is good but a PST2 is better. I plug in my laptop running the PST2 software and it displays onscreen what module it is testing and what the results are. No codes to look up much faster and easier...
Marc
06-06-2006, 11:30 AM
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Marc you're just confused!.
If you doubt the price check this EBAY listing it is a BUY IT NOW for $600.00
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...US:12&from=R18
Item number is 8072486537
The cables are either not available at all or difficult to get from Porsche or anyother source. The round end for the 95 and earlier models are special custom made and almost impossible to find. The 96 and forward cable is $600 or more IF obtainable thru a Porsche dealer.
What P2P sites have the PST2 software? I doubt is it in proper format to load and run on a laptop.
The markup is in the expertise that is needed to get the pieces, put them together, and make it all work properly. If it were that easy the original units wouldn't have been $10,000 complete or the clones wouldn't sell as fast as they are listed in Ebay for over $3,000 each.
If you doubt the price check this EBAY listing it is a BUY IT NOW for $600.00
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...US:12&from=R18
Item number is 8072486537
The cables are either not available at all or difficult to get from Porsche or anyother source. The round end for the 95 and earlier models are special custom made and almost impossible to find. The 96 and forward cable is $600 or more IF obtainable thru a Porsche dealer.
What P2P sites have the PST2 software? I doubt is it in proper format to load and run on a laptop.
The markup is in the expertise that is needed to get the pieces, put them together, and make it all work properly. If it were that easy the original units wouldn't have been $10,000 complete or the clones wouldn't sell as fast as they are listed in Ebay for over $3,000 each.
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06-06-2006, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPcar
Marc you're just confused!.
If you doubt the price check this EBAY listing it is a BUY IT NOW for $600.00.
If you doubt the price check this EBAY listing it is a BUY IT NOW for $600.00.
I am just not sure the relevance to the ongoing discussion - there seemed to already be agreement that, in some cases, the PST2 is better and faster. So I am curious as to why you would feel the need to point out the advantages of your PST2 setup.
Marc
06-06-2006, 12:14 PM
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Is this discussion really about the mark-up on selling a system based on stolen software? Somehow this just seems wrong................ Or, am I missing something?
06-06-2006, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Kessel
Is this discussion really about the mark-up on selling a system based on stolen software? Somehow this just seems wrong................ Or, am I missing something?
That was the point I was subtly trying to make had been suggested.
Marc
06-06-2006, 12:44 PM
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"Item number is 8072486537"
It's very questionable whether this PCMCIA card (multiplexer) will properly interface
with either the Porsche diagnostic wiring, i.e. once the cables are utilized, or the
the PST2 sofware which does a test of the card at startup. This even ignores the
the possiblity that the card may have functionality problems.
Also, this card may have problems connecting to special Porsche ECUs,
e.g. 996 steering angle sensors, coding immobilizers & DMEs.
Bottom line: Even at $600 and a out-of-the-country source, most likely a waste of money.
Besides you never really know for sure about reliability/functionality of eBay purchases.
It's, in many cases, a roll of the dice! But, if you're making a toy then may be a "buy".
"He says his PST2 takes 30 minutes to check a Cayenne and my IBM takes 7 minutes."
It's NOT a function of the host computer, e.g. cpu speed, running the software,
but the software itself, e.g. the new Porsche tester doesn't run that much faster.
The key limitation in the software is the "polling" & "waiting" for the ECUs to respond,
and the major limitation of using the serial port's low baud rate, i.e. 115Kbps.
It's very questionable whether this PCMCIA card (multiplexer) will properly interface
with either the Porsche diagnostic wiring, i.e. once the cables are utilized, or the
the PST2 sofware which does a test of the card at startup. This even ignores the
the possiblity that the card may have functionality problems.
Also, this card may have problems connecting to special Porsche ECUs,
e.g. 996 steering angle sensors, coding immobilizers & DMEs.
Bottom line: Even at $600 and a out-of-the-country source, most likely a waste of money.
Besides you never really know for sure about reliability/functionality of eBay purchases.
It's, in many cases, a roll of the dice! But, if you're making a toy then may be a "buy".
"He says his PST2 takes 30 minutes to check a Cayenne and my IBM takes 7 minutes."
It's NOT a function of the host computer, e.g. cpu speed, running the software,
but the software itself, e.g. the new Porsche tester doesn't run that much faster.
The key limitation in the software is the "polling" & "waiting" for the ECUs to respond,
and the major limitation of using the serial port's low baud rate, i.e. 115Kbps.
Last edited by Lorenfb; 06-06-2006 at 07:02 PM.
06-06-2006, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPcar
The cables are either not available at all or difficult to get from Porsche or anyother source. The round end for the 95 and earlier models are special custom made and almost impossible to find. The 96 and forward cable is $600 or more IF obtainable thru a Porsche dealer.
Originally Posted by DrPcar
If it were that easy the original units wouldn't have been $10,000 complete or the clones wouldn't sell as fast as they are listed in Ebay for over $3,000 each.
06-06-2006, 11:24 PM
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I never said I charged anyone for a unit or sold any units. And Yes I have timed an actual PST2 unit running all the checks on a Cayenne vs a clone running the PST2 software and the clone runs much faster. Part of the equation is that the clone is running a processor 3 times faster, it also has aprox 6 times the memory.
However if you want to complain about someone overcharging.. check this out..
http://www.euroshoptools.com/porschediagnose.htm and it looks like they are located a few miles from Porsche of North America home office in Atlanta as their address is
Eurotrans
2430 Oak Street East
Cumming, Georgia 30041
However if you want to complain about someone overcharging.. check this out..
http://www.euroshoptools.com/porschediagnose.htm and it looks like they are located a few miles from Porsche of North America home office in Atlanta as their address is
Eurotrans
2430 Oak Street East
Cumming, Georgia 30041
Last edited by DrPcar; 06-07-2006 at 12:41 AM.
06-08-2006, 01:30 AM
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I'm a little confused after reading through all of this. At the same time, I'd love to be able to use one of these. If anyone wants to do a formal write-up of what they did and the results, please let me know! I'd love to see a step by step...