J-McDonald

Yet another Porsche that doesn't officially exist --- someone is advertising a 1993 Porsche 911 Turbo cabriolet in the July issue of Classic & Sports Car magazine. The ad says it's one of eight 3.3 liter turbo cabs built by the factory in 1993. It's triple black, with 28,000km. From the picture in the ad, it looks like an America Roadster, except it has what appears to be a "flachbau"-style tail (NOT the normal rubber-edge turbo tail). The asking price is EURO 99,000 (!). The telephone number is 0049-172-7158228 (Germany). If someone is local, you may want to check it out.

Adrian

It is a fake or aftermaket conversion. There is a guy in Florida claiming to have 1 of 105 of these turbo cabriolets but this time built with a 3.6 litre M64/50 engine. Porsche AG flatly deny they ever built such machines or were involved with aftermarket conversions of such models due to safety reasons with the body flex. The only Turbo cabs built in this era were 14 special build and reinforced 993 cabs with M64/50 engines.
If it was a US model it would be very easy to check by looking at the VIN. Unfortunately ROW models are a little harder to identify. I am sure the cab you are looking at is the one I have photos of that were sent to me by a prospective onwer. When I asked for the supporting paperwork and the 964 type number there was complete silence and no more communication and obviously no sale seeing it is still advertised.
Ciao,
Adrian
911C4

dove

Why Are turbo conversions such a problem with some members? I can see the point if someone is trying to make out a car is something the factory built and it isnt,but generally conversion owners like myself enjoy our much admired cars.Come on guys that big fat turbo look is awsome isnt it?
Dont be afraid to modify your cars,at the end of the day its still a porker.
To j-macdonald Is the rear spoiler on your cab standard or a replacement of the motorised 964 spoiler?.
Paul
C2 cab wide low and louder

J-McDonald

The wing on my car is an MA Shaw RS America wing that I had installed. It came with the standard 964 motorized wing.

clubrcr

Be careful of that black car. He was trying to sell it sometime ago and I asked alot of questions about it. Once he found out that I knew about Porsches, he would never return my emails.

Adrian

Dear Paul,
I have no problem with what you do to your own car. My problem is when people try to pass them off as something that they are not. To me this is a deliberate deception. This is one of the functions of this forum to advise people of what is genuine and what is not. As Jim has found out that if you ask questions you do not get answers so the deception is deliberate.
Ciao,
Adrian
911C4.

PS: Turbo conversions of cabriolets can also be unsafe. This is something else but have you ever wondered why Porsche stopped making them and have only restarted. It was a structural safety issue and a handling issue.

Luis de Prat

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Adrian:
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johnfm

"....Dont be afraid to modify your cars,at the end of the day its still a porker."

What's a porker?? IS it like a bimmer, or a ricer???

dove

Hi Adrian, I was interested to read you last post,When you say that Porsche stopped making turbo cabriolet conversions are you saying they stopped converting standard turbo cabs or stopped producing factory turbo cabriolets because they are unsafe?.Is it just the 964 model that they deemed unsafe or all the pre 964 wide bodied cabs as well ie;supersport cab,911 turbo cab.
regards
Paul

Adrian

Dear Paul,
The problem was with the 964 Carrera 2 and 4 cabriolet chassis. It was too flexible at the rear bulkhead for the torque of the M30/69 and M64/50 engines. The chassis would twist at the rear and I am sure you can agree this would cause some problems when the power came on especially at higher speeds.
The special 14 993 cabriolets built with M64/50 engines were specially strengthened. However to do this on a production run was very expensive and was never done.
There were no similar issues with the previous models of Turbo cab pre 964 series.
Ciao,
Adrian
911C4

Adrian

Dear John,
I have to differ I am afraid. When my Porsche Carrera 4 is converted leter this year to a RUF RCT Evo it actually ceases to be a Porsche and becomes a RUF. The Porsche badges will be replaced by RUF ones.
Ciao,
Adrian
911C4

dove

Hi Adrian,Yes I agree I do get some flexing from the chassis but I have to really be pushing it.I'm sure at the speed I was doing 200k+ on a bumpy corner most standard coupe 964's would struggle.
I have some mods planned to ease this flexing,but I dare say I could never eradicate it.
Paul
P.s dont loose the Porsche badge!.

noony

I'm not sure whether these are official cars, but anybody wanna see some pics of a white turbo 3.6 cab?

dove

Would love to see some pics,anybody want to see some pics of a black turbo bodied cab,thats very low?
Paul

9caregiver

Greetings Adrian,

You may be under the wrong impression about your car becoming a "Ruf" and no longer a "Porsche".

As you may or may not know a true Ruf is built from a bare bodytub or "body in white" from Porsche, at least they were during the 911/964/993 era. (I have heard recently some Ruf 996 cars are built from completed Porsche built cars.)

Your car should be considered a "conversion". It should still cary the Porsche vin# after the conversion. A factory built Ruf would have it's own Ruf chassis number. Here in the states conversions sell for far less than the ground up cars as they are considered modified Porsches, even though by Alois Ruf. I am sure your car will still be awsome just not the same. (How will they get the undercoating off as on a ground up car? What about the sunroof?)

If I wanted to own a Ruf I would only buy one with a Ruf chassis number not a Porsche with a Ruf conversion. When one of these comes on the market the difference can be misleading to someone who does not know. Something to think about and just another opinion.

Best,

Don A.