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Old 05-06-2003, 01:19 AM
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Post 964 Factory C4 Lightweight, anybody have one, seen one?

Heard about this car recently. Apparently the factory produced 20 or so in the 964 version . Have any of You seen these cars, or do any of You have one? Would love to find out more about them, so any info is appreciated. Thanks to Bob Linton for the heads up on this car's existence!
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Old 05-06-2003, 02:35 AM
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If you go through the back issues of 911 and Porsche World, they had a full article on this extremely rare 964 of which one is owned by a chap in London and is basically delivery miles. I have a couple of pictures of the car on my website as well- for your information, I remember being contacted by a Japanese collector some time back asking me if I knew of anyone who wanted to buy his...I may actually still have pics of his car as well...if so will try and post them later...if only I had the money to buy it at the time.
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If I recall correctly, Adrian posted the production information about these before - I thought, however, it was more like 2 to 4 that were made. In any event, it was limited production.
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The official productions run for the 1990 Carrera 4 RS Lightweight cars was apparently 20, although rumour has it that only 18 were completed.

The cars featured an uprated engine(300bhp), and along with some gear ratio alterations & some serious weight saving (they weighed in at just 1100kg (2425lb) which was less than a normal C2), produced a 0-60 estimated to be in less than 4 seconds, but only a top speed of 120mph.

For more info, you should check out the March 2002 issue of 911 & Porsche World which has a feature on this car.

One last thing for all those D90 lovers out there! It ran on 16 inch 7J & 9J Magnesium D90 wheels!

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Dear Andy,
Officially these 20 C4RSs were never built. That is the official line as well. They did not have VINs, they were built at Weissach.
The only thing they actually have in common with a C4 is the number 4. Your statement on the transmission ratio change is a tad off. They were fitted with the 953/959 Paris-Dakar AWD transmission rev limited to 120 mph. They were also fitted with mechanically variable diff lock controls. Photographs provided to me (PAG)of the C4RS including all these controls and such will appear in C1 of my book.
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Adrian,

Apologies for getting it wrong! I was only going on what was in the magazine article!

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Dear Andy,
You did not get it wrong I just expanded things as they were explained to me. Getting to the article. Yes I read it and I am suprised this C4RS was allowed to be registered. No VIN It was never built to be driven as a road legal auto and in fact it was never race legal. It did not fit any IMSA, FIA or any other series for that matter. I know that at least one ended up in the USA, there is this one in England of which you speak about. Most went to France and Italy. I have a photo of one on the track in France in 1994. Modified to meet FIA requirements for GT racing at the time. I believe but I have never seen it that there is one back at Weissach but mums the world. Do not let anyone else know what I told you.
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The December 1991 Sports Car International magazine has a short article, with 3 small pictures, about the cars on page 24 <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />
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Adrian, you can register practically anything in the UK. Just the other day I saw a miltary tank/anfibious vehicle registered and taxed. Consider this thing is driven through a hole the size of a letterbox, has no mirrors, has two propellors and has a machine gun turret on top and you'll get an idea at what kind of thing can be used on the roads in the UK.

Actually, I thought it would be the perfect solution for London commuting. NOBODY would mess with you then!
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Hi folks,

I am the owner of the car featured in 911 & Porsche World . . .

And it IS road registered on its Weissach Chassis Number "964010".

My car has only 30km on the odo . . . and I only managed to put 10 of those on it . . .

It's a 'beast' and actually quite hard to drive on the road

There WERE 20 built . . . despite the 'confusion' regarding 'only 18' etc. I have seen number 19 and 20 in the flesh.

Most of the 20 are in the States now . . . notable exceptions being mine (UK) and the one in Japan mentioned above. There's also another still in/on Mainland Europe.

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Hi BB

Can you expand a bit about what you mean by 'It's a beast and actually quite hard to drive on the road'

Thanks
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Tony Davis:
<strong>Hi BB

Can you expand a bit about what you mean by 'It's a beast and actually quite hard to drive on the road'

Thanks</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Er . . . OK . . .

Firstly, the engine's been 'printed' and is sooooo finely balanced it goes from 1000rpm to seven grand INSTANTLY . . . add to this the clutch . . . it's like a SWITCH . . . on or off . . . it's almost impossible to 'creep' the car . . . like, say, when pulling on to a roundabout or at a right turn/junction . . .

Once you're moving it's awesome . . . the exhaust note is gorgeous and it just wants to 'pull'

I'm guessing a 'tamer' clutch would help . . .

I've also got a (almost as rare) 'unraced' C2RS Club Sport (sometimes referred to as RSR) and that's a lot easier to 'use' day to day <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

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so BB....do you have any others? or is two your limit?
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by BANGEL:
<strong>so BB....do you have any others? or is two your limit? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Two 964s yeah!

I've got a few more pre-74 cars . . . including a couple of 'special' 2.7RSs

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by BrizeyBee:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by BANGEL:
<strong>so BB....do you have any others? or is two your limit? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Two 964s yeah!

I've got a few more pre-74 cars . . . including a couple of 'special' 2.7RSs

BB</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Any chance of some pictures then? (of your cars that is....!)
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