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We're moving to the newer Motec M150GRP ECU and going to install all the hardware for traction control. http://www.motec.com.au/gpr-m150/gpr-m150-ft/ Should be able to do all this 'stuff' by the looks of it.
Patrick, did you have a look at the Emtron KV8?
It'll get the licensing monkey off your back & it's found favour in the Evo/Scooby world.
Being an Aussie product support should be fine for you.
Tim
I spoke to someone I respect about that and he didn't have a lot of good things to say about it to be honest Tim. I'm sure it's ok but with Motec, once you buy the 'stuff' you need you don't really have to spend on it any more. It's a bit of a scam in a sense but also a pretty smart business application. Plus Motec has the best support and depth of data.
Patrick, I'm going to give the KV8 a go, based on the recommendation of Mark Shead of MA Developments here in the UK who has used it on Rod Tarry's 1000 bhp Sierra Cosworth and a 900 bhp Mitsi Evo.
John Tirell's racing Ferrari 550M is successfully running the KV12, so it's gradually building a niche following.
I had a Vipec V88 in the box but Mark persuaded me that the Emtron is in another category altogether.
Yes, well essentially. At first I didn't think you could do this without dog gears etc. Looks like there was a 'movement' in the DSM world popular 10 years ago judging by some simple internet surfing. Need to do a bit more research though. Dave W has had good experiences though.
Originally Posted by Penguinracer
Patrick, I'm going to give the KV8 a go, based on the recommendation of Mark Shead of MA Developments here in the UK who has used it on Rod Tarry's 1000 bhp Sierra Cosworth and a 900 bhp Mitsi Evo.
John Tirell's racing Ferrari 550M is successfully running the KV12, so it's gradually building a niche following.
I had a Vipec V88 in the box but Mark persuaded me that the Emtron is in another category altogether.
The proof of the pudding...
Tim
Tim, I have a slight feeling that the person I asked might know the guy who has started Emron so perhaps there was something personal in his assessment. Perhaps not. I believe he is ex Motec. I think if you have a few people around you that have had good experience and you have good support then it seems worth trying.
Patrick - I believe it's a very small world in the Aussie ECU industry & there are some strong animosities.
Emtron was started Scott Kuhner in 2013, but I saw a blog in which Ray Hall (not associated with Emtron), formerly of Autronic & Vipec (Link with all the options enabled) was expressing a positive opinion of the product & as is the way with online forums someone launched into Ray, probably a former dissatisfied client!
People tend to get very tribal about ECU selection & I can only assume it's because it's deemed to be the "brains" of the car and to insult someone's choice of ECU is tantamount to calling their car unintelligent or stupid which is then seen as a personal attack on the owner!
And didn't Ray have some involvement in Motec too? Yes, indeed very small world. Sort of odd that most the leading aftermarket ECU's come out of here along with a lot of gearbox component manufacturers. I'm sure there's an obvious and simple explanation. Nevertheless, it's nice to have some choice and not have to pay quite the exorbitant amounts that Motec charges overseas.
Patrick, have you tried Frank Capo at Modena engineering?
Im sure he could make an input shaft for you.
I brought an LSD for my 5spd box from him years ago.
Let me know how you go with your gearbox selection. Im sure it will be on my list in the near future
I spoke to Frank a couple of times Jarod. Funny guy. Unfortunately too many people assume this particular box is the same as the Audi 01E and just haven't seen it. I'd like to get both of them into a shop somewhere and have them pulled apart to do a proper comparison. Anyway, I think we'll just look into the NLTS system that Dave W mentioned. We won't save on shift time but it will save on boost loss. Bit of a win. Frank does have a few things on the drawing board at the moment that might be interesting in the future but nothing as we speak and I just don't have the sort of budget to pay for someone else's R&D at the moment.
And didn't Ray have some involvement in Motec too? Yes, indeed very small world. Sort of odd that most the leading aftermarket ECU's come out of here along with a lot of gearbox component manufacturers. I'm sure there's an obvious and simple explanation. Nevertheless, it's nice to have some choice and not have to pay quite the exorbitant amounts that Motec charges overseas.
probably because none of you Aussies speak Japanese or English, so you're on your own for performance
A lot of great info in this thread, but to sum it up: Is it possible to fit a Audi 2WD 01E into a 944, with a spline adapter? Bell housing bolt pattern, bolt on? From what Audi models can one find these 01E 2WD boxes?
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For those still interested... I have completed my 01E swap. I am planning to make a coupler for a member over on the pelican parts forum soon. It is not a particularly difficult swap if you have a mill and lathe in the garage. The coupler is the only part that really requires those though. A decent fabricator couple make their own shifter mechanism, and mounts. The driver side axle is about 3/4" shorter as well. Most aftermarket axles have a long splined section that can be shortened by anyone with a lathe.
I'll try and return in a week or two and make a post with all my details. I have an LS3 in my car, so the gear ratios of the 01E were a nice change.
This is my coupler before it was totally complete. I press fit and pinned the cut 944 coupler inside the machined piece using 3 dowel pins. I did this rather than welding so the heat treat of the coupler is not impacted, and no warpage/cracking issues using the higher carbon steals. Using the double shear of the pins, it calculates to 2400 ft-lbs, so plenty of safety factor in it. The 01E end is just a clutch center, with a machined pocket on the intermediate piece. Concentricity should be more than adequate.
One more note, for those that don't need the torque capacity of the 01E, the 01X is another option that is nearly identical, and plenty strong for a 944 I think.
01-21-2017, 05:16 PM
