Magown

Shorty, have you done any tests to prove this?

Stefan

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jeremy Himsel
[B]My apologies, you may very well be correct. I don't know my American cars very well.

In any case, my point was that for true drag racing, you may need to lose the porsche drivetrain as it's not really intended for that purpose.

I understand wanting to beat people at the lights (I used to be 20 once) and I still get that feeling, but I let logic prevail and let the fool race himself. I mean, what point are you proving and to who by light racing? Get a turbo charged firefly for that

Real men start their race from 100mph ... try challenging your civic buddies to that 1/4 mile and see how they fair.

4G64 944

Plenty of guys have done test to prove gtech is usually about .2-.3ths off and several mph faster than what the strip reads. Driving on a hill, and wheelspin all affect it's numbers. One can argue that and car with IRS isn't a good drag strip cars, but there are some 8 second supras running IRS, so it can be figured out. I've pulled 1.63 60's in my awd eclipse on normal street tires and stock drivetrain, but all that abuse adds up, I've blown 2nd and 3rd gear this year and I'm getting sick of fixing it. If I chose to do my 4g64 swap I will probably baby it off the line just to see what it runs ball park figure, but I plan to get into track days, I think spending 20 mins running laps has to be more satisfying than 11, 10 or even 9 seconds in a straight line.

Sam Lin

G-Tech times and drag strip times are indeed different, but the difference is consistent, and as a result can be compensated for mathematically. Specifically, times are very accurate, but trap speed differs because the drag strip averages the last 60 feet and the G-Tech gives the speed at the 1/4 mile mark.

Sam

Chas

4g64 944, you did a 1.63 60', but only got a 12.2 out of it?

Eyal 951

OK, I know its bad, their not drag cars, blah blah. I definitely agree whole heartedly. The problem is, I really want to take her to the strip, just once. Just to run two or three runs. Just to see the times i get. not even about racing the guy in the other lane. I want to go once, and NEVER go again. What do you guys think? Am i asking for trouble. or is once not going to be detrimental. you should note that aside from a boost enhancer, there are no further engine modifications at the moment. thanks. I can'tt wait to get her on the track though!!!
~Eyal

4G64 944

12.2 was a 1.69 I believe, 1.63 was on a 12.3 with a botched 3/4 shift, run was looking to be a 12.0/11.9 but it wasn't. The 60' really has no relation to end speed/et it's only the launch, I've run 1.6's even in the 13 second days. AWD cars come hard out of the hole, but it's a pig at 3340 with me in it.

Jeremy Himsel

Guys I would love to know where and when Porsche said the 951's aren't drag cars. I would also love to know where Ford said the Mustang was one. Give it a rest already. I'm tired of hearing that same old song and dance about this. Funny thing is I see that Porsche did 0-60 and 1/4 mile testing on our cars. Why would they do this? They're not drag cars right so who cares what these times are? If a Mustang or a Camaro is a "drag" car then why did I see a bunch (some in front of me and some behind me) at the last DE? How come the latest issue of Grassroots Motorsports has a guy who uses a Saturn to run track events? Is a Saturn know for its exceptional handling? At my last drag outing I saw a early 4 door 1 ton Chevy pickup run 13.5's. ( 671 BDS blower under the hood.)

The "drags" are really about a run what you brung type of event and maybe a 951 isn't an "ideal" drag car but neither is a Neon and I just saw one running in the nines. Reality is that while it may not be the most desirable drag car it can still perform quite well at the track. If you can afford the clutches, CV's and transmissions then I say have a great time pal and try to avoid side-stepping the clutch and allow it to cool between runs or Paragon and Pelican may send you a x-mas card.

I drag raced pretty heavily for about 10 years in one of those so called drag cars, and in that time frame I went from 15's to the 9's and broke every part under the sun (most of them twice). I even had a hood peel up on me at 130. I've also broken things doing DE's in my 951. As long as I (or anybody else for that matter) can pay to fix it then who cares. To be perfectly honest with you I feel more guilty about abusing my 951 for 100 minutes at a DE then I ever did taking any car to the drags. At a recent Spec Car race they started the field from a stand still. Are you going to tell me this wasn't a drag race?

For those of you who say that a 951 can't compete with a camaro or mustang on the strip, I say your wrong. I've beat WS6's, GT-40 crate motored mustangs, and a wide variety of other cars in my 951. As with anything drag racing with street tires is just as much about driver skill as it is about HP and if it's done on a track then I say more power to you.

Dwayne Williams

Can't remember if I saw this here or what , but you can drag race all sorts of vehicles. Check out the mid 12s 89 turbo mini van. I wouldn't call this a race car by any means, but it can haul butt in a straight line.

Turbo mini van link

toddk911

Jeremy is completely correct. I have NEVER seen a listing of performance specs for a Porsche that did not list 0-60 times; 0-100 etc.

Yea, you probably don't want to do 10 runs a night every night of the week, but a few runs here and there should not make a difference. If the suspension/chassis was that inadequate, Porsche would not have let it out of the factory.

OriginalSterm

I've seen 1/4 mile times and 0-60mph times for both a firetruck and a tank in Car and Driver a while back. Both very useful tidbits of info for both, same reason why Porsche has the same info.

billgot

Thanks guys again. Jeremy thanks for backing up the porsche are not drag cars.Last time I checked the 911 turbo does 11's stock.Faster then any stock mustang could ever be off a cliff.I just want a car that can do it all.The Porsche 951.

Peckster

Maybe to sell more cars to the U.S.?

rage2

12.7@117mph in my 2.5L 944 turbo on worn 265/35-18 Kumho 712's at 3700ft elevation. 15-20 runs a night, powershifting every run, not a single thing broken on a relatively stock drivetrain. Probably capable of low 12's, but I don't think the CV joints will survive with slicks.

The 951 has potential to be a very capable drag machine IMO. If only somebody made super strong CV joints...

NZ951

Someone does make them! Lindsey Racing supplies some...