Dan87951

Good to see the man hole covers finally getting some respect. I remember when people loathed these wheels.

Audir85.2

thanks guys for making me feel better about this car and what I paid

recent service included: new timing belt, balance shaft belt, water pump, tensioner and idler pulleys, turbo thermostat, serpentine and V belts, camshaft seal, crankshaft seal, lower balance shaft seal, upper/lower radiator hoses, water pump bypass hose

hope that covers me for a long while

my other cars are: modded audi R-8 V-10, 2012 CTS-V with 750 hp lingenfelter package and various muscle cars ('70 Mach 1 mustang, '70 challenger 440 six pack, '70 hemi cuda, '96 viper gts, '88 dodge ram charger, '74 K-5 Blazer...) so this 944 T should be different- had a poster of one on my dorm wall so went for it

grgallo

MrGreenJeans, how would you determine if the "89 is the 44/52 engine? and is that Porsche Turbo Cup Chip available anywhere? Or a similar quality chip? thanks.

Voith

Every 89 turbo has 44/52 engine it is stamped on the block by cyl#4.

Voith

Its not a myth. I have a set of 89 turbo cast rods if you need them.

mrgreenjeans

Several ways if you have the original paperwork ( white build code tag ) or the original warranty book, which will have the other exact duplicate of that white build code tag in it. You also have to have the original engine which matches the designation on those tags.

There ARE exceptions. Sometimes the prepper at the dealership or SA, or lot boy, salesman, ..... who ever was pulling the tag out of the boot and applying it to the book for ease of reference on warranty work in the future of the car, didn't do his job and the double tag will still be hanging by the rear taillight under the carpet. And I have seen a fair amount that didn't and still are doubled up on that slick tear-off paper affixed to the body.

Just look at the number designation listed by where it says 'engine' on the tag. If it's a 44/52 you have it and it's for sure a series 2 car. Every 944 engine has a designation to indicate the last of advances Porsche incorporated during it's progression.

And, serial numbers and build dates of the car will back up those findings.

OR :
Do as the above poster Voith mentioned and look at the block by number 4 and see what the stamp says.

As the 951 drifted ever higher in the dollar/deutsche mark exchange squeezing profits, there were certain things Porsche did to lessen their cost in the car. Sometime after the first 600 -700 cars built, ( and there is disagreement here on exactly where ) the cast rods returned. Lots of engines have been opened and found to contain cast internals and Porsche argued that they were just as good but a bit cheaper to build with.

I searched for quite a few years to find a lower serial number, early build '89 OR a late, '88.2 model because of this and believe me, did I look at a bunch of crappy cars in that pursuit. I was patient and a good friend who had owned his immaculate M030 for nearly 23 years, entrusted it's sale to me. He has first choice to buy his low mile beauty ( now mine ) back should I ever let it go.... and that is quite unlikely until I die and my heirs sell it.

It had the Cup chip already installed which he bought over the counter from Porsche very early in it's life. It was discontinued shortly thereafter and quite early in the 951s life. If you find one, consider yourself fortunate.

I believe Lindsey Racing sells one of their own which is comparable or perhaps a bit more modern and stronger.

And yes, they were referenced back in the day as one of the most potent Supercars of the era; remarkable in the fact, all that performance came from a 2.5 litre slant four. It humiliated Lotus, most of the Ferrari offerings, and was a contender against it's big brother the 911 turbo or model 930 for supremacy in speed.

What other car of that era could you get out on the autobahn and run 165 mph or more and do so with superb braking and stability in the late 80s and early 90s ?

We visited Germany in '91 and were driving a factory supplied Zermatt S2 when passed between Frankfurt and Eifel. The throttle was flat and I and my passenger were in the middle lane .... behind me came a series of 3 headlamps which I saw closing rapidly. What passed us that day was an F40, followed by a 951, then a BMW Alpina, and their speed differential was at least 20 over the top speed of that S2.

We saw them later at the Nurburgring at Eifel viewing the 911 Cup Series along with other Porsche Club of Germany members. Great guys ! First F40 I ever saw and I took a bunch of photos

Voith

951 was fifth fastest production car on the planet in 88. It blew doors off of everything except the most exotic stuff.

Even today after 30 years with combination of stock parts and few modern add-ons, it will kill most anything.

Dan87951

Can you post pictures of your cast rods? Personally I have only seen forged components coming out of 944 Turbo engines. Who knows, maybe the PO "cheaped" out on a rebuild? These cars are getting old and have changed a number of hands so anything is possible.

You have to remember this was a time when Porsche overbuilt engines and even added ceramic lined the exhaust ports to cope with heat. You won't see this kind of quality anymore, that's for sure!

gruhsy

I stayed glued to the asz of an SLS Mercedes at 15psi in my 3.0L much to the dismay of the 200,000.00$, ish car owner......and my wife was in the car with me Go-M-tune

Voith

Dan: I have all the receipts of the car and it was only serviced in Porsche shop with money no object approach. You can see picture of rods in my build thread somewhere at the beginning of it, I would gladly take a picture but I'm on vacation in a swimming pool atm..

There was also another S engine with them that I assisted in rebuilding and the number of cast rods appears as 944 turbo part in 1999 parts catalog I have.

Audir85.2

this thread has taken on a life of it's own....i.e.: 944 Turbo for sale, over priced/fairly priced, available/sold, stock wheels/not stock/expert clarification, cast motors/forged motors/myth/expert clarification...
just strikes me as interesting that twice I have been told things about these cars (non-stock wheels and no cast motors) and twice somebody has set the record straight with cold, hard facts
guess that's why I don't often use words like genius, expert....

all in all some great information and happy to be a member of this fine forum-
the only other forum I have participated in is "R8 talk" which is also great if you are into R8's.

Voith

From my thread:

grgallo

mr green jeans and voith thanks for the info on the '89 turbo... if things turn out i may become an owner.

Dan87951

Those don't like any of the 944 turbo rods I have seen. Your signature says you have a 944 NA. Do you own a 944 turbo or did you buy a 944 turbo engine?

Voith

Those are from 89 turbo engine type m44/52 and all later 944s used exactly the same rods. I also have a matching set from 944 2.7 and one from 944 S2. Sold the ones from 86 2.5na.

I had the complete car with complete history in paper, but PO parked it between trees at triple digit speed. The car also clocked over 100k miles 13 years chipped to 312 flywheel hp with these rods no problem.

Early NA cars also came with Rarst0 rods so not really turbo specific.