link vs tec3?
04-01-2014, 11:24 AM
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link vs tec3?
I've been talking to chris white about stand alone ecu's. Thinking about switching from Mtune to a stand alone to simplify and remove the 25 year old wiring.
Pro's for tec3 is that it is a known system. A friend here has one on his race car, so we would be able to compare notes. Down side is that its a bit spartan (serial port, etc, etc).
Link seems to have a lot of new fancy stuff (bluetooth to tablet), but I dont know of anyone using one.
I'm curious to get peoples thoughts.
Jeff
Pro's for tec3 is that it is a known system. A friend here has one on his race car, so we would be able to compare notes. Down side is that its a bit spartan (serial port, etc, etc).
Link seems to have a lot of new fancy stuff (bluetooth to tablet), but I dont know of anyone using one.
I'm curious to get peoples thoughts.
Jeff
04-01-2014, 01:30 PM
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For the sake of expanding on the subject, it would be helpful if the discussion stayed on the forum for other interested parties to be informed. I know these topics have been discussed before but new information and questions are always being asked, and products continue to evolve. I am in the market for an EMS as well...
04-01-2014, 03:33 PM
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Jeff,
I sent you a PM.
If you don't mind me asking, what is your budget and is there a reason you are limiting yourself to Link or Tec3?
Is it because you are looking to buy a plug n play kit with complete wiring harness?
-Athar
I sent you a PM.
If you don't mind me asking, what is your budget and is there a reason you are limiting yourself to Link or Tec3?
Is it because you are looking to buy a plug n play kit with complete wiring harness?
-Athar
04-01-2014, 05:21 PM
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Sent pm's but ill continue my thought process. I love talking about these type of things.
My requirements:
- Support
- Easy adequate logging/debugging
- flexible to a potential 2.8 or 3.0L
- removes factory wiring harness.
I'm looking at tec3r cause I've seen an example of it running well, plus there is great support.
Link seems to be very full featured and modern, but I have not seen it work, hence asking for input on here.
The only other ones I have looked at are:
Motec (too expensive)
microsquirt (too diy for me).
Those are the ones I know of.
My requirements:
- Support
- Easy adequate logging/debugging
- flexible to a potential 2.8 or 3.0L
- removes factory wiring harness.
I'm looking at tec3r cause I've seen an example of it running well, plus there is great support.
Link seems to be very full featured and modern, but I have not seen it work, hence asking for input on here.
The only other ones I have looked at are:
Motec (too expensive)
microsquirt (too diy for me).
Those are the ones I know of.
04-01-2014, 06:09 PM
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What about megasquirt 3 pro?
Looks very appealing to me, but it is relatively new, so not much feedback anywhere..
http://www.diyautotune.com/ms3-pro.html
Has a lot of nice features though:
Looks very appealing to me, but it is relatively new, so not much feedback anywhere..
http://www.diyautotune.com/ms3-pro.html
Has a lot of nice features though:
Here is a complete list of the MS3-Pro's features:
Hardware features:
Freescale MC9S12X 16 bit, 50 MHz asymmetrical dual core processor
10 saturated injector drivers
8 logic level ignition outputs
3 high current (5 amp) general purpose outputs - 2 can be reconfigured as additional injector drivers, and all can be used as PWM outputs
3 medium current (3 amp), high frequency general purpose outputs
All unused injector and ignition outputs can be used as spare on/off or other outputs. This ECU has a LOT of I/O!
1 stepper H-bridge driver
Camshaft and crankshaft differential inputs - supports VR, Hall effect, and optical input
12 volt tach output
Fuel pump output
8 analog inputs (5 dedicated sensor inputs, 3 spare/general purpose)
4 spare digital on/off inputs
3 spare digital frequency inputs
2 knock sensor inputs
RS232, USB 2.0, and CAN communication
Onboard 8 gigabyte SD card for internal data logging
Internal ECU temperature sensor
Real time clock
Temperature range: -30 to +80 degrees C (-40 to +85 without battery for real time clock)
Software features:
Supports speed density, alpha-N (TPS based), or MAF based fuel and spark tables
1 microsecond injector pulse width resolution
Tables for nonlinear injector behavior at small pulse widths
Allows blending multiple load types, including specialized mode for independent throttle bodies
Supports a wide variety of OEM cam and crank position sensors
Individual cylinder trim tables for fuel and ignition
Accelerator pump or model based acceleration enrichment
Closed or open loop idle speed control
Closed or open loop boost control with two separate wastegate outputs, and gear or speed based tuning options
On/off or closed loop continuously variable valve timing (VVT) control - supports up to 4 channels
On/off or progressive nitrous control
Traction control by VSS or RPM
Rally anti-lag with rotational idle
Rotary support - can run up to 4 rotor engines with separate leading and trailing spark tables
Staged injection
Table switching
16 x 16 fuel and spark tables - can be reconfigured to function as 30 x 16 or 16 x 30 by switching tables based on RPM or load
2 or 3 step rev limiter (launch control) with no-lift shifting
Wideband AFR target tables
Flex fuel sensor input for easy switching between gasoline and E85 - can automatically change fuel, ignition, and boost maps based on ethanol content of gasoline
Knock control with adjustable crank angle windowing can adjust sensitivity based on RPM or which cylinder is firing
Allows repurposing injector or ignition outputs as general purpose outputs, or high current outputs as injector drivers for 12 cylinder sequential applications
Real time barometric correction (external sensor required)
A/C and cooling fan control with idle compensation
Safety shutdown based on AFR or EGT input
Sequential shift cut and air shifter control
Diagnostics to detect and ignore failing sensors - can even automatically switch from speed density to alpha-N in the event of a MAP sensor failure
Hardware features:
Freescale MC9S12X 16 bit, 50 MHz asymmetrical dual core processor
10 saturated injector drivers
8 logic level ignition outputs
3 high current (5 amp) general purpose outputs - 2 can be reconfigured as additional injector drivers, and all can be used as PWM outputs
3 medium current (3 amp), high frequency general purpose outputs
All unused injector and ignition outputs can be used as spare on/off or other outputs. This ECU has a LOT of I/O!
1 stepper H-bridge driver
Camshaft and crankshaft differential inputs - supports VR, Hall effect, and optical input
12 volt tach output
Fuel pump output
8 analog inputs (5 dedicated sensor inputs, 3 spare/general purpose)
4 spare digital on/off inputs
3 spare digital frequency inputs
2 knock sensor inputs
RS232, USB 2.0, and CAN communication
Onboard 8 gigabyte SD card for internal data logging
Internal ECU temperature sensor
Real time clock
Temperature range: -30 to +80 degrees C (-40 to +85 without battery for real time clock)
Software features:
Supports speed density, alpha-N (TPS based), or MAF based fuel and spark tables
1 microsecond injector pulse width resolution
Tables for nonlinear injector behavior at small pulse widths
Allows blending multiple load types, including specialized mode for independent throttle bodies
Supports a wide variety of OEM cam and crank position sensors
Individual cylinder trim tables for fuel and ignition
Accelerator pump or model based acceleration enrichment
Closed or open loop idle speed control
Closed or open loop boost control with two separate wastegate outputs, and gear or speed based tuning options
On/off or closed loop continuously variable valve timing (VVT) control - supports up to 4 channels
On/off or progressive nitrous control
Traction control by VSS or RPM
Rally anti-lag with rotational idle
Rotary support - can run up to 4 rotor engines with separate leading and trailing spark tables
Staged injection
Table switching
16 x 16 fuel and spark tables - can be reconfigured to function as 30 x 16 or 16 x 30 by switching tables based on RPM or load
2 or 3 step rev limiter (launch control) with no-lift shifting
Wideband AFR target tables
Flex fuel sensor input for easy switching between gasoline and E85 - can automatically change fuel, ignition, and boost maps based on ethanol content of gasoline
Knock control with adjustable crank angle windowing can adjust sensitivity based on RPM or which cylinder is firing
Allows repurposing injector or ignition outputs as general purpose outputs, or high current outputs as injector drivers for 12 cylinder sequential applications
Real time barometric correction (external sensor required)
A/C and cooling fan control with idle compensation
Safety shutdown based on AFR or EGT input
Sequential shift cut and air shifter control
Diagnostics to detect and ignore failing sensors - can even automatically switch from speed density to alpha-N in the event of a MAP sensor failure
04-01-2014, 06:18 PM
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Also look at VEMS and EMU ecus.. Lots of european high power cars run these.
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04-01-2014, 06:48 PM
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I'm considering standalone or M-tune, I looked on Pm's site but there isn't much info ?
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04-01-2014, 07:42 PM
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I would love megasquirt, but I feel like I would end up in an open source world. Nothing ever works quite right, I'd always be tinkering, and it would be left to myself to figure out. Might be ok if I had a a street car, but having to trailer to the track to mess with something every time doesnt sound fun.
04-01-2014, 11:05 PM
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I have no experience with standalones but why not just rebuild the wiring harness? Rogue offers everything you said you required except removing the factory wiring.
If you wanted, you could probably find someone to rebuild it for you.
http://www.928motorsports.com/parts/...ng_harness.php - No relation but they might be able to do it.
Just an idea.
If you wanted, you could probably find someone to rebuild it for you.
http://www.928motorsports.com/parts/...ng_harness.php - No relation but they might be able to do it.
Just an idea.
04-01-2014, 11:06 PM
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Tony G mentioned the idea of adapting a GM LS2 ecu to a 951 a while back. I am pretty well convinced he's onto something and I am surprised none of the tuner folks on here picked up the idea and ran with it.
I love the stuff John at Vitesse has done for our cars, and lots of folks seem happy with Rogue but the fact of the matter is that time takes its toll and technology marches on. Our wiring harnesses and DME/KLR s are getting old and brittle and we are complicating matters when when adapting Wideband O2s and piggybacks. Having a modern processor with a new wiring harness, bluetooth/obdii and android/ios support is looking mighty attractive these days.
I love the stuff John at Vitesse has done for our cars, and lots of folks seem happy with Rogue but the fact of the matter is that time takes its toll and technology marches on. Our wiring harnesses and DME/KLR s are getting old and brittle and we are complicating matters when when adapting Wideband O2s and piggybacks. Having a modern processor with a new wiring harness, bluetooth/obdii and android/ios support is looking mighty attractive these days.
04-02-2014, 08:23 PM
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Paul