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Old 12-05-2013, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 67King
Outstanding!

Thom, I assume in looking at this that the fork is eliminated, and the thing with the hoses on the right is a throwout bearing with integrated hydraulic actuator.
Yes, hose from master to the t/o bearing. No Fork, no Slave.
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Originally Posted by michaelmount123
What's the clutch diameter? Do we know the cost yet?
185mm, and no.
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Originally Posted by Paulyy
Some people i know would actually put that in a street car
Porsche put one in the Carrera GT.
Old 12-05-2013, 10:45 AM
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Pre S4 928s also featured a twin disc clutch from factory, if I'm not mistaken.

Mike, how is the release bearing attached to the bellhousing?
I suppose it uses the 3 bolt holes for the stock bearing guide? Will this allow enough clamping force?
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Eight inch diameter light weight multi disc clutches in motorcycles hold 150 lb ft and work wonderfully with butter smooth engagement. Why shouldn't this one be just as good?
Robstah lives under a bridge with the rest of the trolls.
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Originally Posted by Thom
Pre S4 928s also featured a twin disc clutch from factory, if I'm not mistaken.

Mike, how is the release bearing attached to the bellhousing?
I suppose it uses the 3 bolt holes for the stock bearing guide? Will this allow enough clamping force?
Yes, it attaches in the same location. This is a Push type pressure plate, rather then a Pull type like the stock. So it is pushing against the bell housing, not pulling on the bolts. The clamping force doesn't have anything to do with the t/o bearing.
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Originally Posted by Bob Rouleau
robstah - do you have experience with the product in question or is your criticism pure speculation? If the latter, why not phrase it as a question as opposed to a declaration?
BTO has spoken.
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Originally Posted by Mike Lindsey
Yes, it attaches in the same location. This is a Push type pressure plate, rather then a Pull type like the stock. So it is pushing against the bell housing, not pulling on the bolts. The clamping force doesn't have anything to do with the t/o bearing.
SOunds like the Mary Poppins of setups to me. "Practically perfect in every way possible."
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Originally Posted by 333pg333
...pistons, rods...
No.
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Originally Posted by robstah
E) While still debatable by some people, flywheel mass improves loading of the engine which then translates into better spooling characteristics and where the 944 turbo is located, it needs all it can get.
If the goal is to get maximum boost in 1st gear, then absolutely a lightweight flywheel is counter productive. I'm actually not interested in getting max boost... I want to accelerate the car as fast as possible. A heavy flywheel gives you more time in lower gears, which is exactly what I want to reduce. You can do the math on how much power it takes to accelerate the clutch/flywheel assembly and it's not insignificant. There are drawbacks, but accelerating the vehicle is not one of them.
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How much weight can you shave off rotating assembly on street 951 so that it sharpens its character, but still retains road driveability and stockish idle rpm?

Would knife edged (not to extreme) crank, aluminum pulleys and aluminum fw be overkill?
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I have done all of that and my car runs great and I have no complaints. Glad I have done it and am very happy with my project.

Originally Posted by Voith
How much weight can you shave off rotating assembly on street 951 so that it sharpens its character, but still retains road driveability and stockish idle rpm?

Would knife edged (not to extreme) crank, aluminum pulleys and aluminum fw be overkill?
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Originally Posted by Voith
How much weight can you shave off rotating assembly on street 951 so that it sharpens its character, but still retains road driveability and stockish idle rpm?

Would knife edged (not to extreme) crank, aluminum pulleys and aluminum fw be overkill?
Why did Porsche keep the heavy crank in the 968 when they used lighter rods ?
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Originally Posted by LUCKY DAVE
Eight inch diameter light weight multi disc clutches in motorcycles hold 150 lb ft and work wonderfully with butter smooth engagement. Why shouldn't this one be just as good?
Robstah lives under a bridge with the rest of the trolls.
With a 150 lb ft and 160ish bhp they work just fine.
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Originally Posted by blade7
Why did Porsche keep the heavy crank in the 968 when they used lighter rods ?
Better spooling characteristics?


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