Early 996TT v 3.0T 944 ?."
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Outside of the initial investment, and assuming the owner actually tunes the car properly, maintenance shouldn't be much more than a lightly modified or even stock 951.
Ok here is my perspective if I was in your shoes: Since I already have a 3L car, and have taken the 944 to relatively high level without going all out- I was aiming for a good balance, all around street/show car so for that, I believe I have achieved what I set out to do. So with that being said, I would drop the $$$ on the TT/GT2 and welcome the new experience. Now if you ask me to trade my 3L or sell it to be able to afford the TT/GT2 ownership then...no way in hell would I do that!
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Ok here is my perspective if I was in your shoes: Since I already have a 3L car, and have taken the 944 to relatively high level without going all out- I was aiming for a good balance, all around street/show car so for that, I believe I have achieved what I set out to do. So with that being said, I would drop the $$$ on the TT/GT2 and welcome the new experience. Now if you ask me to trade my 3L or sell it to be able to afford the TT/GT2 ownership then...no way in hell would I do that!
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If you want max acceleration, go with a flashed 966TT all day. Not close.
However, I feel like you really want to buy/build that 3.0L... You should be getting it for reasons other than performance though - You may have more fun with it, you may love the feel or driver interaction, you may want a total sleeper
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I just want to make sure you realize that even with that 3.0L in there I don't think we're comparing apples to apples here. The 996TT will outperform the modded 951 all day and do it reliably.
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Sorry, I forgot that you wanted to assume both are 420hp in the OP. In that case, the pull to 150 would prob be very close. Just know that an additional (reliable) 100 hp is about $3k away in the 996TT case.
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^ not sure many of the 951 crowd fully understands the performance delta between a 951 and 996tt, not that a 951 can't be silly fast... ;
like Thales has said, a simple flash and exhaust and these cars are rockets, they pull HARD from low RPM and run that way to redline, and the tires like to hook-up....with a baby-soft 2.1 60' time I ran a 11.9 at 127mph 1/4mile.
I think if one really loves their 951 and has little desire to ever sell or switch to a different car then the 3L engine build is logical, but if ultimate performance or desire to have a different car in the near future is the plan, then 996TT or GT2 all day.
like Thales has said, a simple flash and exhaust and these cars are rockets, they pull HARD from low RPM and run that way to redline, and the tires like to hook-up....with a baby-soft 2.1 60' time I ran a 11.9 at 127mph 1/4mile.
I think if one really loves their 951 and has little desire to ever sell or switch to a different car then the 3L engine build is logical, but if ultimate performance or desire to have a different car in the near future is the plan, then 996TT or GT2 all day.
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^ not sure many of the 951 crowd fully understands the performance delta between a 951 and 996tt, not that a 951 can't be silly fast... ;
like Thales has said, a simple flash and exhaust and these cars are rockets, they pull HARD from low RPM and run that way to redline, and the tires like to hook-up....with a baby-soft 2.1 60' time I ran a 11.9 at 127mph 1/4mile.
I think if one really loves their 951 and has little desire to ever sell or switch to a different car then the 3L engine build is logical, but if ultimate performance or desire to have a different car in the near future is the plan, then 996TT or GT2 all day.
like Thales has said, a simple flash and exhaust and these cars are rockets, they pull HARD from low RPM and run that way to redline, and the tires like to hook-up....with a baby-soft 2.1 60' time I ran a 11.9 at 127mph 1/4mile.
I think if one really loves their 951 and has little desire to ever sell or switch to a different car then the 3L engine build is logical, but if ultimate performance or desire to have a different car in the near future is the plan, then 996TT or GT2 all day.
Not saying I'm not happy with my 951, I love it, but you always wonder what it would have been like had you gone a different route...
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Here's a pretty fair representation of the question at hand. Sean / JET951 in his 3L 944 on track with a 997GT2RS. Sean was on Hoosier slicks while the RS was on Michelins (which are faster). There's not much between these cars in a straightline while Sean seems to cover him on most corners too....driver ability notwithstanding. In the next session the GT2 driver lets Sean past to go on and score better lap times. Can't have a 997 GT2RS holding you up now can you.![order](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/order.gif)
Here's a pretty fair representation of the question at hand. Sean / JET951 in his 3L 944 on track with a 997GT2RS. Sean was on Hoosier slicks while the RS was on Michelins (which are faster). There's not much between these cars in a straightline while Sean seems to cover him on most corners too....driver ability notwithstanding. In the next session the GT2 driver lets Sean past to go on and score better lap times. Can't have a 997 GT2RS holding you up now can you.
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Yes it is...I've driven in the US before and it really is weird! ;-)
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specs on the 951? assuming the GT2RS(620hp/3075lbs) is running right, the 951 would need to be making mid/high 500hp to keep up in a straight line...
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Here's a pretty fair representation of the question at hand. Sean / JET951 in his 3L 944 on track with a 997GT2RS. Sean was on Hoosier slicks while the RS was on Michelins (which are faster). There's not much between these cars in a straightline while Sean seems to cover him on most corners too....driver ability notwithstanding. In the next session the GT2 driver lets Sean past to go on and score better lap times. Can't have a 997 GT2RS holding you up now can you.![order](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/order.gif)
Sean Buchanan Sydney Motorsport Park extended circuit PCNSW sprint session 3 - YouTube
Here's a pretty fair representation of the question at hand. Sean / JET951 in his 3L 944 on track with a 997GT2RS. Sean was on Hoosier slicks while the RS was on Michelins (which are faster). There's not much between these cars in a straightline while Sean seems to cover him on most corners too....driver ability notwithstanding. In the next session the GT2 driver lets Sean past to go on and score better lap times. Can't have a 997 GT2RS holding you up now can you.
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Sean Buchanan Sydney Motorsport Park extended circuit PCNSW sprint session 3 - YouTube
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I have been in a flashed 996TT that was being well caned, obviously it was very quick but it was so composed it didn't feel it until we were really shifting.
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Got both 944S2 cab 3.0 16v turbo, awesome car love it to bits its my baby and only gets used on a sunny day, daily driver 996tt with Alpha28 Tial turbos, larger injectors, exhaust, GIAC flash and its 650hp on premium and 700 on race gas all for about $15K in upgrades, insane really.
Two different cars for sure but if I had to choose only one, very likely the 944 cab, so classic, hope that day never comes.
mike
Two different cars for sure but if I had to choose only one, very likely the 944 cab, so classic, hope that day never comes.
mike
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Note, while Sean's motor would be in that hp range, the car is no stripped out trackbeast. It has all the stock leather interior, heater, AC, music, steel panels, all glass etc...Daily driver. Wonder if a flashed 996tt is as fast as the lighter 997GT2RS?
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The attraction of a 996tt is they are easy and cheap to buy in good condition, the GT1 engine is very reliable you can bolt on performance kits in a weekend to get 600+hp, no other mods to the engine and its a modern supercar to drive every day.
If you go to the built level of our 944 turbos then a 996tt will give you 800++hp with some internal engine changes rods mainly and larger 3076 turbos
IMHO its the best value Porsche modding platform, so easy.
mike
If you go to the built level of our 944 turbos then a 996tt will give you 800++hp with some internal engine changes rods mainly and larger 3076 turbos
IMHO its the best value Porsche modding platform, so easy.
mike
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Good and true points Mike. Having said that, it brings me back to the question of price. I know this wasn’t part of the OP’s discussion but in OZ my guess is that a modified 996tt would owe you close to, if not more than $200k? It’s been weeks since I’ve shopped for one! Spend $20k on a reasonable 951 and add $100k to it. Probably give your 996TT a run for it’s money.
Ps…Nice to see you on here also. Glad to hear the Cab is fixed.
Ps…Nice to see you on here also. Glad to hear the Cab is fixed.