The Slippery Slope
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When I got my '89 it was bone stock, and I just used it for AX with an occasional street drive.
But....it handled like a dunken *****, practically scraping the door handles on the ground.
So I adjusted the Konis very stiff to attempt arresting the hula like dynamics (fail btw) and got a track alignment to reduce understeer.
Now I had a street car that rode stiff and darted around.
Pretty soon I wanted to go faster and deleted the torsion bars, going with JIC Cross dampers and coils, camber plates, 968 M030 bars in delrin bushings, and sourcing 17" x 9" rims and decent tires.
All of sudden the seats no longer worked even with a G-lock, so in went an Autopower race roll bar and race seats/belts/wheel/camera system/steel braided lines/Pagid blacks/cat delete.
275 Hoosiers are pretty hard on ball joints, and I got tired of rebuilding them so often so....I just got finished with installing racer's Edge arms/mono ball everything/poly bronze bushings.
I now have an absolutely non streetable multi time class championship winning car with air conditioning, stereo, a full interior and cruise control.
What next?
But....it handled like a dunken *****, practically scraping the door handles on the ground.
So I adjusted the Konis very stiff to attempt arresting the hula like dynamics (fail btw) and got a track alignment to reduce understeer.
Now I had a street car that rode stiff and darted around.
Pretty soon I wanted to go faster and deleted the torsion bars, going with JIC Cross dampers and coils, camber plates, 968 M030 bars in delrin bushings, and sourcing 17" x 9" rims and decent tires.
All of sudden the seats no longer worked even with a G-lock, so in went an Autopower race roll bar and race seats/belts/wheel/camera system/steel braided lines/Pagid blacks/cat delete.
275 Hoosiers are pretty hard on ball joints, and I got tired of rebuilding them so often so....I just got finished with installing racer's Edge arms/mono ball everything/poly bronze bushings.
I now have an absolutely non streetable multi time class championship winning car with air conditioning, stereo, a full interior and cruise control.
What next?
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Strip, cage, better coilovers.
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I went down that road. Got to the point where the car was too stiff to drive on the street but too heavy and not stiff enough to really get at it on the track. Ended up returning it to close to stock and building a dedicated racecar.
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Despite my comment above I agree with Skip. Once you get past a certain point you may as well make a proper track car. You can have a dual purpose car but it's generally limiting in both fields and eventually you will wish you'd made the decision earlier.
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Sorry for the derail. Dave, you said you've won multiple class championships, right? Sounds like you don't need anything next unless you're looking for more competition.
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Good point. I guess the only other thing is it's not always possible to have 2 cars so you have to deal with a dual purpose vehicle. I was very happy with my previous KW shocks regarding dealing with the road and track nature that the car served back then. So it is possible to get a pretty good solution for this situation. It will still be a compromise but serviceable if a full track car is not possible.
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I think if you're just starting out and it's more important to learn than to be competitive, you should only change what needs to be changed when it needs to be changed. Until then, all money and efforts should go to getting out on the track/course and getting seat time. I know when I was first starting, I read threads like this and though "Well, I need to do this, that and the other to the car before I can start tracking it" when I should have just gone out as-is(with maintenance up to date, of course) and got some experience.
After my very first DE at one of the 944 Fests in my stock 951 I quickly realized how clueless I was about running at speed on track. Instead of adding performance parts to the car I saved for the Mid-Ohio two day school which turned into the full three day course. The instruction and track time you receive at these schools would be difficult to equal over numerous weekend DE events. I will be back for more Mid-O class time though now the car will slowly start down the slope.
Dave, you may be at the end of the slope with this car.