Time to Get Real about Mileage
#18
same here, when I purchased mine I got to meet the first two owners and had tons of records to verify the miles. Too bad my paint doesn't reflect the mileage. I need a respray bad.
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Rolling back the odo is the oldest trick in the car business. I have seen people who make a living at it. It is getting harder as there are more checks. Carfax is one and some (or maybe all) states record mileage at title transfer or emissions test time etc.
I don't see it so much any more, but people used to add the phrase "highway miles" in ads for high mileage cars as if miles were shorter on the I-system.
I don't see it so much any more, but people used to add the phrase "highway miles" in ads for high mileage cars as if miles were shorter on the I-system.
#20
Yeah I too am a little surprised at the number of ~100k cars running around. Seems they ALL have right around 100k on them. Now I know that in general, Porsches tend to be parked more than other cars, especially when they were new... just take a look at how many sub-10k mile newer used Porsches are out there. It's not hard to find 6,000 mile 2004 GT3's for example. Lots of people buy these cars just so they can brag they have a Porsche but don't actually DRIVE them. So that could explain some of the lower mileage examples.
But knowing how easy (and common) it was back in the 80s to roll back odometers is one of the reasons why I put more stress and importance on maintenance history than mileage. I'd much rather buy a 200k car with full service history than a 70k car with none.
And frankly I think it's another impressive thing about these cars. These aren't 1980's Chevy's that fell apart at 40k miles. My car just turned 156k and the car is still tight and solid. 75mph cruise on the expressway, it's quiet in the cabin. Doors still slam with a solid WHUMP. Typical 80s German car build quality. Love it.
But knowing how easy (and common) it was back in the 80s to roll back odometers is one of the reasons why I put more stress and importance on maintenance history than mileage. I'd much rather buy a 200k car with full service history than a 70k car with none.
And frankly I think it's another impressive thing about these cars. These aren't 1980's Chevy's that fell apart at 40k miles. My car just turned 156k and the car is still tight and solid. 75mph cruise on the expressway, it's quiet in the cabin. Doors still slam with a solid WHUMP. Typical 80s German car build quality. Love it.
#21
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Mine too--the shift rod fell off about 3 mi from home...fortunately didn't have to stop ALL the way as it was in 4th! I replaced mine at around 160k documented. my '89 turbo has APPROXIMATELY 89k miles, and the shift lever was in much better shape. I can't imagine the one you got from Josh was original--that's simply too nice.
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On a lighter note, driving your 944 without rear windows, sunroof or a hatch, but with front windows closed, is perfectly comfortable...heater still keeps you toasty.
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Earlier this summer I got a call from somebody that had bought my first 944 – an ’86 NA. He found my name and number in the glove box on a piece of paper that listed the work that had been done on it while I owned it.
He said it was still extremely tight, didn’t leak a drop and the ‘new’ Konis were great. He was impressed that it only had 90k miles on it and was very happy with the purchase. Hmmmm….so I talked to him about how well the car ran and confirmed that he thought it was a great car…..and them I told him that when I sold it almost 10 years ago it had over 100k miles on it. He was bummed out about it so I reminded him that he was just convincing me how great the car is and I told him that nothing was any different – just go out and enjoy it!
He said it was still extremely tight, didn’t leak a drop and the ‘new’ Konis were great. He was impressed that it only had 90k miles on it and was very happy with the purchase. Hmmmm….so I talked to him about how well the car ran and confirmed that he thought it was a great car…..and them I told him that when I sold it almost 10 years ago it had over 100k miles on it. He was bummed out about it so I reminded him that he was just convincing me how great the car is and I told him that nothing was any different – just go out and enjoy it!
#26
A 200,000 mile car used on a long daily highway commute can have substantially less wear on it than a car with 50,000 one mile trips to the inner city grocery store.
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I have two relatively high mileage cars, my 951 has ~130k and my S2 is nearing 185k. The S2 has fared much better in nearly every department including the interior. Heck the dash is perfect.
Just goes to show that miles aren't everything but care of the car is.
Just goes to show that miles aren't everything but care of the car is.
#28
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I don't even think it's a matter of rolling the odo back on these cars, it's the fact that the odo gear breaks and people just don't replace it. Or they replace the whole cluster with one from another car with less miles to "fix" the odometer.
#29
Since we are talking miles.... i have a little bit of experience to add. Ive had 2 DD vehicles First one was a ford with 260k miles (sold) and 2nd is a Nissan with 230k (Currently). All records were kept for both vehicles dating back to when they were new or at 20k . Original Accessories lasted from 180k to 230k and roughly 10-11 years. Both have been daily driven and can maybe count on 2 hands how many times they havent been started since being bought.
I know they are different animals than the high reving higher hp porsches but maybe there is something to this Driving every day and putting some miles on them that extends the life of the vehicle and its parts
I know they are different animals than the high reving higher hp porsches but maybe there is something to this Driving every day and putting some miles on them that extends the life of the vehicle and its parts
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Since we are talking miles.... i have a little bit of experience to add. Ive had 2 DD vehicles First one was a ford with 260k miles (sold) and 2nd is a Nissan with 230k (Currently). All records were kept for both vehicles dating back to when they were new or at 20k . Original Accessories lasted from 180k to 230k and roughly 10-11 years. Both have been daily driven and can maybe count on 2 hands how many times they havent been started since being bought.
I know they are different animals than the high reving higher hp porsches but maybe there is something to this Driving every day and putting some miles on them that extends the life of the vehicle and its parts
I know they are different animals than the high reving higher hp porsches but maybe there is something to this Driving every day and putting some miles on them that extends the life of the vehicle and its parts
Absolutely! I've had several 300k cars and the more you use them the better they seem to be. The more they sit, the more finicky they seem to get.