LSD,springs & t-bars...
04-23-2003, 10:56 AM
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LSD,springs & t-bars...
Ok,I had my first day at racetrack last weekend.While it was fun I made few notes about things to improve in my car...not to speak about my driving,LOL!
At this moment I don't need more power,the issue is controlling the power I have.
So:
1)There's no LSD in my car and it does need one.For reasons too long to explain in this thread I want to keep my original transmission and just add a LSD.Used or new,any opinions?
If new,what and where to get one,especially in Europe?If used,are ones found from 968,911 & 911C2 also usable in 951?Part numbers suggest so...This adds odds finding one.
2)Springs.Where to get about 250lbs springs at almost original length? I had Weltmeisters but they were too low and I don't like the idea of blocks added between springs and spring seats.
3)T-bars.Same problem,I need stiffer torsion bars (27-29 mm) but does anyone else make them than Weltmeister.I know they're good but I'd like to find them from Europe... As in springs original Porsche-parts seem to offer no help whatsoever.
Any help appreciated!!
Pete
At this moment I don't need more power,the issue is controlling the power I have.
So:
1)There's no LSD in my car and it does need one.For reasons too long to explain in this thread I want to keep my original transmission and just add a LSD.Used or new,any opinions?
If new,what and where to get one,especially in Europe?If used,are ones found from 968,911 & 911C2 also usable in 951?Part numbers suggest so...This adds odds finding one.
2)Springs.Where to get about 250lbs springs at almost original length? I had Weltmeisters but they were too low and I don't like the idea of blocks added between springs and spring seats.
3)T-bars.Same problem,I need stiffer torsion bars (27-29 mm) but does anyone else make them than Weltmeister.I know they're good but I'd like to find them from Europe... As in springs original Porsche-parts seem to offer no help whatsoever.
Any help appreciated!!
Pete
04-29-2003, 12:29 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by pedro951:
<strong>would a 968 torsen fit in a 944 tranny?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">If you are referring to a 968 torsion bar, I wouldn't recommend it since it goes in the suspension not the tranny. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
<strong>would a 968 torsen fit in a 944 tranny?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">If you are referring to a 968 torsion bar, I wouldn't recommend it since it goes in the suspension not the tranny. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
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04-29-2003, 12:42 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by pedro951:
<strong>would a 968 torsen fit in a 944 tranny?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">No. But it will fit some 911s. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
<strong>would a 968 torsen fit in a 944 tranny?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">No. But it will fit some 911s. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
04-29-2003, 01:23 PM
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Pete, As for a differential, quaife and GT make the Torsen type and GT I believe makes a clutch type that fit in the 951. For a lot of track work you may want to find a Turbo S tranny with lsd as they have stronger first and second gears. For a stiffer rear you could try finding a set of the 968 MO30 shocks with the helper springs to add to your existing torsion bar set up.
04-29-2003, 03:37 PM
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sorry for the confusion, i was asking about the 968 torsen LSD, not torsion bars. from what i understand the <a href="http://www.quaifeamerica.com" target="_blank">quaife</a> is a torque bias diff like the torsen. gaurd transmission (GT) also sells both clutch and torsen types for the 944 and i think this is their unit <a href="http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopcart/944M/por_944M_tranny_main.htm" target="_blank">at pelican parts</a>
ive been looking at LSDs for a little while and im still very much undecided between a used lsd tranny or an aftermarket lsd for my trans.
ive been looking at LSDs for a little while and im still very much undecided between a used lsd tranny or an aftermarket lsd for my trans.
04-29-2003, 04:37 PM
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Ok guys,
thanks for participation...
...about that LSD question.I scrolled through the PET and found out these part#s:
951: 951 332 053 03 ,M220 40% ZF
951: ___ ___ ___ o5 ,M758 40% ZF
930: 930 ___ ___ 03 ,---- 40% ZF
968: 950 ___ 063 00 ,---- 40% Torsen
968: ___ ___ 053 00 ,---- 40% ZF
911: ___ ___ ___ __ ,---- 40% ZF ( with G50 box)
964: ___ ___ ___ __ ,---- 40% ZF
964: ___ ___ ___ 01 ,---- 20-100% ZF
(___ means same # than above,--- means no info)
So this table raised few questions about interchangeability of those LSDs.But actually I don't have to worry about this anymore,I just kinda bought an used M220 LSD.
Now I just have to install it...
Van,those t-bars are just 25,5 mm,I'm seeking ones like 28 mm,about 250 lb/inch ones.
DanD,I don't like to sacrifice my brand-new Konis for those 968 units,so I'll seek stiffer t-bars.
por951turbo,look at Lindsay Racing's web-page,they sell Quaife.Quaife has also it's own page,and in their ad in April's Exellence they sold their unit for $100,- less than Lindsay.At $1195,- it's still pretty steep...
Does anyone have any experience in Eibach's springs in their 951???
<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> ,Pete
thanks for participation...
...about that LSD question.I scrolled through the PET and found out these part#s:
951: 951 332 053 03 ,M220 40% ZF
951: ___ ___ ___ o5 ,M758 40% ZF
930: 930 ___ ___ 03 ,---- 40% ZF
968: 950 ___ 063 00 ,---- 40% Torsen
968: ___ ___ 053 00 ,---- 40% ZF
911: ___ ___ ___ __ ,---- 40% ZF ( with G50 box)
964: ___ ___ ___ __ ,---- 40% ZF
964: ___ ___ ___ 01 ,---- 20-100% ZF
(___ means same # than above,--- means no info)
So this table raised few questions about interchangeability of those LSDs.But actually I don't have to worry about this anymore,I just kinda bought an used M220 LSD.
Now I just have to install it...
Van,those t-bars are just 25,5 mm,I'm seeking ones like 28 mm,about 250 lb/inch ones.
DanD,I don't like to sacrifice my brand-new Konis for those 968 units,so I'll seek stiffer t-bars.
por951turbo,look at Lindsay Racing's web-page,they sell Quaife.Quaife has also it's own page,and in their ad in April's Exellence they sold their unit for $100,- less than Lindsay.At $1195,- it's still pretty steep...
Does anyone have any experience in Eibach's springs in their 951???
<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> ,Pete
05-01-2003, 06:26 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by pete95zhn:
<strong>
...about that LSD question.I scrolled through the PET and found out these part#s:
951: 951 332 053 03 ,M220 40% ZF
951: ___ ___ ___ o5 ,M758 40% ZF
I just kinda bought an used M220 LSD.
Now I just have to install it...
,Pete</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Whats the difference of these two LSD's ?
Is the other one to 951S -> and the upper one to pre S models? Or?
The one that you have kinda bought..Any chance it's from Sami..? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
<strong>
...about that LSD question.I scrolled through the PET and found out these part#s:
951: 951 332 053 03 ,M220 40% ZF
951: ___ ___ ___ o5 ,M758 40% ZF
I just kinda bought an used M220 LSD.
Now I just have to install it...
,Pete</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Whats the difference of these two LSD's ?
Is the other one to 951S -> and the upper one to pre S models? Or?
The one that you have kinda bought..Any chance it's from Sami..? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
05-02-2003, 02:22 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by sybelix:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by pete95zhn:
<strong>
...about that LSD question.I scrolled through the PET and found out these part#s:
951: 951 332 053 03 ,M220 40% ZF
951: ___ ___ ___ o5 ,M758 40% ZF
I just kinda bought an used M220 LSD.
Now I just have to install it...
,Pete</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Whats the difference of these two LSD's ?
Is the other one to 951S -> and the upper one to pre S models? Or?
The one that you have kinda bought..Any chance it's from Sami..? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">M758 is code for '88 TurboS,and M220 is a LSD.
No,it's neither Sami's extra 'box nor his LSD...I just happened to run to an available differential and it's now mine,I just have to pay and bring it home... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> ,Pete
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by pete95zhn:
<strong>
...about that LSD question.I scrolled through the PET and found out these part#s:
951: 951 332 053 03 ,M220 40% ZF
951: ___ ___ ___ o5 ,M758 40% ZF
I just kinda bought an used M220 LSD.
Now I just have to install it...
,Pete</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Whats the difference of these two LSD's ?
Is the other one to 951S -> and the upper one to pre S models? Or?
The one that you have kinda bought..Any chance it's from Sami..? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">M758 is code for '88 TurboS,and M220 is a LSD.
No,it's neither Sami's extra 'box nor his LSD...I just happened to run to an available differential and it's now mine,I just have to pay and bring it home... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> ,Pete