1986 944 Turbo 1-Owner, 38K Miles, Bone Stock, Perfect, $15K
11-02-2011, 09:55 AM
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..And you KNOW this, somehow...? or is it just an assumption based on a possibly imperfect understanding of the mechanism which drives the odometer gears?
Perhaps instead of promoting unsubstantiated stuff on someone's 'for sale' thread, you could either substantiate your assertion that yours doesn't do this, or at least post some indication that you're prepared to at least entertain the notion that not all misaligned digits add up to a dodgy odometer.
Tell you what, you post a little video of your last digit -either on the trip meter (easier, since it's a tenth) or the main counter (they both use precisely the same mechanism, so it makes absolutely no difference beyond the fact than one happens ten times faster) and I'll eat humble pie. -Right here.
I will of course have no other option but to confess that you're right, and I was wrong in asserting that NOT all 951 odometers, -not to mention all VW/Audi from the same era- do this.
Alternatively, perhaps you'd consider the fact that you see 'moody' odometer readings all the time because you weren't yet aware that this is how VDO odometers (and several other mechanical counter designs) naturally do this... and you'd assumed that some 'Arfur Daley' character must have given the car a haircut...
It's easy to make a false assumption, but if it causes genuine harm to another person (by possibly erroneously calling into question the value of what they're selling, in this instance) then please at least consider that it would be best to be COMPLETELY certain of the facts.
I'll wait for the video.
-In the meantime, if you'd like me to post a video of mine behaving EXACTLY as I describe, let me know. -I have no doubt that others could do the same.
in the meantime, watch your odometer. -I way this without any trace of sarcasm or meanness, but I wholly expect that you'll be surprised to observe how it operates... unless 952 odometers were constructed completely differently.
I could be wrong... maybe there were some alternate mechanisms out there that I've never seen in person which didn't do this... but I can say that mine does it, and all the digits align -perfectly- when they're displaying the same value.
Keith
Perhaps instead of promoting unsubstantiated stuff on someone's 'for sale' thread, you could either substantiate your assertion that yours doesn't do this, or at least post some indication that you're prepared to at least entertain the notion that not all misaligned digits add up to a dodgy odometer.
Tell you what, you post a little video of your last digit -either on the trip meter (easier, since it's a tenth) or the main counter (they both use precisely the same mechanism, so it makes absolutely no difference beyond the fact than one happens ten times faster) and I'll eat humble pie. -Right here.
I will of course have no other option but to confess that you're right, and I was wrong in asserting that NOT all 951 odometers, -not to mention all VW/Audi from the same era- do this.
Alternatively, perhaps you'd consider the fact that you see 'moody' odometer readings all the time because you weren't yet aware that this is how VDO odometers (and several other mechanical counter designs) naturally do this... and you'd assumed that some 'Arfur Daley' character must have given the car a haircut...
It's easy to make a false assumption, but if it causes genuine harm to another person (by possibly erroneously calling into question the value of what they're selling, in this instance) then please at least consider that it would be best to be COMPLETELY certain of the facts.
I'll wait for the video.
-In the meantime, if you'd like me to post a video of mine behaving EXACTLY as I describe, let me know. -I have no doubt that others could do the same.
in the meantime, watch your odometer. -I way this without any trace of sarcasm or meanness, but I wholly expect that you'll be surprised to observe how it operates... unless 952 odometers were constructed completely differently.
I could be wrong... maybe there were some alternate mechanisms out there that I've never seen in person which didn't do this... but I can say that mine does it, and all the digits align -perfectly- when they're displaying the same value.
Keith
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11-02-2011, 10:23 AM
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This car is documented. There is no mystery. There is no drama. No gnat crap in the clutch pedal.
Its a 1 owner, low mile cream puff. The right buyer is out there.
Keith calls it well.
Its a 1 owner, low mile cream puff. The right buyer is out there.
Keith calls it well.
11-02-2011, 10:40 AM
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Because it really has 500,000 miles on it...I restored it down to the last detail to make sure that it looked like it only had 38K miles on it. This is what I love about forums, the unlimited supply of know it all ASSumptions is comical
Took a few shots this morning, apparently I have been driving it or something because the mileage keeps going up?
Oh, wow, look at that, the 3 is not lined up...must be a 4 coming up for some reason?
Cleve
Took a few shots this morning, apparently I have been driving it or something because the mileage keeps going up?
Oh, wow, look at that, the 3 is not lined up...must be a 4 coming up for some reason?
Cleve
11-02-2011, 10:56 AM
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Three Wheelin'
For those saying that misaligned digits means it's been screwed with, have you ever held the mechanism in your hand? Because what you're saying is more or less impossible given the design. It's the nature of the beast, stop spreading inaccurate information.
11-02-2011, 11:16 AM
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Yea, stop, all of them do that
11-02-2011, 11:33 AM
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Not many nines among those Lart...
But... look at that last one.
[1] [3 ever-so-slightly high] [8] [3 ever-so-slightly high] [8] [4]
Notice a pattern?
If they were nines, the threes would be higher.
But... look at that last one.
[1] [3 ever-so-slightly high] [8] [3 ever-so-slightly high] [8] [4]
Notice a pattern?
If they were nines, the threes would be higher.
11-02-2011, 11:36 AM
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Oh, hey Lart... do you have a 180MPH speedo by any chance? -I'm about to put the Rennbay drive gear in mine, and I'm worried about breaking the needle off the spindle. -Would be good to know if I have a backup, in case it all goes wrong.
11-02-2011, 12:30 PM
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Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
06/15/1996 55,000 Ohio
Inspection Station Passed emissions inspection
01/07/1998 Ohio
Inspection Station Passed emissions inspection
04/15/1999 104,935 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
05/20/1999 48,918 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
MILEAGE INCONSISTENCY
The mileage reported here conflicts with this vehicle's odometer history. Ask a mechanic or the seller to confirm the actual mileage - this entry may just be a clerical error.
12/29/1999 Ohio
Inspection Station Passed emissions inspection
05/30/2000 50,899 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
01/26/2001 54,496 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
02/20/2001 56,000 Arizona
Inspection Station Passed emissions inspection
02/20/2001 13,550 Arizona
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Tucson, AZ
Title #PM0845D051112 NOT ACTUAL MILEAGE TITLE ISSUED
CARFAX Advisor™
A NAM title is issued when the owner discloses to a DMV mileage fraud, a broken odometer or that the actual mileage of this vehicle is unknown.
Mileage reported after this reading is potentially unreliable.
04/20/2001 53,590 Arizona
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Tucson, AZ
Title #A74875D109025 NOT ACTUAL MILEAGE TITLE ISSUED
10/09/2003 Arizona
Inspection Station Passed emissions inspection
01/25/2005 Arizona
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Tucson, AZ
Title #T085005025022 NOT ACTUAL MILEAGE TITLE ISSUED
02/18/2005 72,000 Arizona
Inspection Station Passed emissions inspection
04/21/2005 70,950 Arizona
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Tucson, AZ
Title #T134005111014 NOT ACTUAL MILEAGE TITLE ISSUED
08/22/2006 Arizona
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Tucson, AZ
Title #T134005111014 NOT ACTUAL MILEAGE TITLE ISSUED
09/21/2006 38,463 California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Newport Beach, CA Title issued or updated
Loan or lien reported
MILEAGE INCONSISTENCY
10/09/2006 California
Inspection Station Failed emissions inspection
10/26/2006 38,507 California
Inspection Station Failed emissions inspection
10/26/2006 Newport Auto Center Inc
Newport Beach, CA
949-673-0900
www.autonation.com Vehicle serviced
10/26/2006 38,514 California
Inspection Station Passed emissions inspection
02/22/2008 California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Newport Beach, CA Title issued or updated
05/23/2008 California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Newport Beach, CA Title issued or updated
Loan or lien reported
09/05/2008 40,817 California
Inspection Station Passed emissions inspection
04/23/2009 California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Newport Beach, CA Title issued or updated
Loan or lien released
09/09/2010 56,936 California
Inspection Station
Newport Beach, CA Passed emissions inspection
08/15/2011 Damage Report TOTAL LOSS VEHICLE
08/15/2011 California
Motor Vehicle Dept. Title or registration issued
to insurance company
08/15/2011 California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Gardena, CA SALVAGE TITLE/CERTIFICATE ISSUED
11-02-2011, 03:00 PM
#56
Drifting
I implied I would investigate further if I see uneven digits on a odometer, I stated my odometer is not misaligned to that extent, I also implied I've seen plenty of odometers that have been tampered with, quite why you saw fit to set off on an extended rant I have no idea.
11-02-2011, 03:03 PM
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You say 'implied', most people -I expect- read 'insinuated'.
Again, How do you KNOW that the odometers have been 'tampered with'? -I did ask that at the beginning of the 'rant'.
Again, How do you KNOW that the odometers have been 'tampered with'? -I did ask that at the beginning of the 'rant'.
11-02-2011, 03:24 PM
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Please, will somebody just buy the car before Largeandturbocharged puts any more miles on it. This car has had about 1500 miles put on it every year for the last 25 years and now Lart is adding 1000 a month. Please, anybody, just buy this car so it can stay in a garage. Maybe the price will drop because it will "soon" be a high mileage car :-)
11-02-2011, 03:36 PM
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Drifting
You seem to be very defensive, however I'll indulge you a little, I owned around 12 mk1 Golf GTi's and a couple of mk2's during the 90's, when I saw finger prints or scratches on the odometer barrel I suspected they didn't come from the factory like that, I took a VDO speedo apart and it's very easy to alter one digit, if the clockers wore surgical gloves and wound the digit forwards rather than backwards it was harder to spot. I have nothing to hide and I'm not selling anything here, that's all.