new turbo's
12-20-2002, 12:40 AM
#1
Drifting
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new turbo's
I am posting this to guage the response of the list for the interest in a line of turbo's that we will start to recieve in Jan. 03. There are three different size models, let's call them 1,2 and 3 (for now), smallest too largest.
Number 1 is capable of about 300 hp and is a great replacement for the stock turbo on a street car. Quick to spool and won't run out as soon as you get into the power band of the stock cam.
Number 2 is most comparable to a T3/4 that many of you are familiar with. This new turbo will make 10-15% more power at the same boost level as the Garrett. It will fit under the intake of a 951 as it is actually slightly smaller in size than a KKK. It is still water cooled. It will be supplied in a kit form and be VERY easy to install. Not much different than the stock unit. It is capable of 400 hp at about 1.0 bar.
The number 3 unit could be used on a very stout street car or race car. I don't currently know of anything on the market to "compare" this too off hand but this thing is very capable of in excess of 500 hp at no more than 1.5 bar or so.
These turbo's are manufactured with the most current technology available today. The compressors and turbines are light weight so they will spool quickly, and are very durable. They have been tested and used overseas and are proven. The maufacture has been able to produce the extra power in part by tuning the turbine side of the turbo. Picking up better flow and reducing lag.
Some may know that we are twin turbo charging a GT3RS engine and installing it in a 993 chasis. We will be dynoing the engine with a pair of the #1 and then #2 turbo's. With the Motec 880 and CDI 8 it will be dissapointing if it does not make every bit of 800 hp.
I can't give too much info yet as we want to do some installs and dyno some motors/cars to have something to back this up with. I can give some flow numbers on the turbo's and maybe some other info but I don't want to get too far ahead of myself yet. We have been looking for an alternative to the Garrett hybrids that everyone and their mother is selling. Most if not all of the turbo's that Garrett is selling are based on; and built; with 30 year old technology. They use heavy compressors/turbines, thick inducers/exducers and a ton of lag. People have improved the design with some of the hybrids but they are just not very efficient by today's standards as we have found out. There is something better.
We will also be testing some really trick high flow intercooler cores. More on them later.
Number 1 is capable of about 300 hp and is a great replacement for the stock turbo on a street car. Quick to spool and won't run out as soon as you get into the power band of the stock cam.
Number 2 is most comparable to a T3/4 that many of you are familiar with. This new turbo will make 10-15% more power at the same boost level as the Garrett. It will fit under the intake of a 951 as it is actually slightly smaller in size than a KKK. It is still water cooled. It will be supplied in a kit form and be VERY easy to install. Not much different than the stock unit. It is capable of 400 hp at about 1.0 bar.
The number 3 unit could be used on a very stout street car or race car. I don't currently know of anything on the market to "compare" this too off hand but this thing is very capable of in excess of 500 hp at no more than 1.5 bar or so.
These turbo's are manufactured with the most current technology available today. The compressors and turbines are light weight so they will spool quickly, and are very durable. They have been tested and used overseas and are proven. The maufacture has been able to produce the extra power in part by tuning the turbine side of the turbo. Picking up better flow and reducing lag.
Some may know that we are twin turbo charging a GT3RS engine and installing it in a 993 chasis. We will be dynoing the engine with a pair of the #1 and then #2 turbo's. With the Motec 880 and CDI 8 it will be dissapointing if it does not make every bit of 800 hp.
I can't give too much info yet as we want to do some installs and dyno some motors/cars to have something to back this up with. I can give some flow numbers on the turbo's and maybe some other info but I don't want to get too far ahead of myself yet. We have been looking for an alternative to the Garrett hybrids that everyone and their mother is selling. Most if not all of the turbo's that Garrett is selling are based on; and built; with 30 year old technology. They use heavy compressors/turbines, thick inducers/exducers and a ton of lag. People have improved the design with some of the hybrids but they are just not very efficient by today's standards as we have found out. There is something better.
We will also be testing some really trick high flow intercooler cores. More on them later.
12-20-2002, 04:54 PM
#6
Drifting
Thread Starter
I need to make a correction on my first post. The #2 turbo will actually make over 400 hp at 1 bar not 1.5 bar. At 1.5 add another 10%.
These are COMPLETE ball bearing turbo's. The real deal.
I am pretty excited about this as my car is the also the test mule, which is good and bad.
These are COMPLETE ball bearing turbo's. The real deal.
I am pretty excited about this as my car is the also the test mule, which is good and bad.
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12-20-2002, 06:50 PM
#9
Drifting
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The turbo's were ordered this week. They should be in my hands in three to four weeks.
We have my 89 turbo and a race motor that we are sleeving and dry-sumping to use as a mock up/test platform.
The manufacture offers two different turbine housings for flexability, as well as the option of an intergal wastegate, which would be very interesting on a 951.
I would guess at this point and given our current work load that April/May is probably likely. We still have considerable work to do on our 993/GT3RS-TT to complete by the Sebring club race.
We have my 89 turbo and a race motor that we are sleeving and dry-sumping to use as a mock up/test platform.
The manufacture offers two different turbine housings for flexability, as well as the option of an intergal wastegate, which would be very interesting on a 951.
I would guess at this point and given our current work load that April/May is probably likely. We still have considerable work to do on our 993/GT3RS-TT to complete by the Sebring club race.
12-20-2002, 06:57 PM
#10
Drifting
Thread Starter
I forgot to mention that as of now the #2 turbo will retail for about $1800. We will sell it in a kit form and know more about that once we have one on my car.
12-20-2002, 07:27 PM
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I'm interested to hear more. Sounds impressive, but price is relatively high to competition...
12-20-2002, 07:46 PM
#13
Race Director
From the reviews we've seen so far of the ceramic ball-bearing turbos, they apparently last forever...
Do these new turbos have any trick parts like Inconel turbine blades and/or ceramic-composite compressor wheels? Although Toyota's been having problems with theirs shattering.
Also when do I get mine?
Do these new turbos have any trick parts like Inconel turbine blades and/or ceramic-composite compressor wheels? Although Toyota's been having problems with theirs shattering.
Also when do I get mine?
12-20-2002, 07:52 PM
#14
Race Car
[quote]Originally posted by Chris Prack:
<strong>We have my 89 turbo and a race motor that we are sleeving and dry-sumping to use as a mock up/test platform.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Why are you sleeving? Is the bore chewed up?
<strong>We have my 89 turbo and a race motor that we are sleeving and dry-sumping to use as a mock up/test platform.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Why are you sleeving? Is the bore chewed up?
12-20-2002, 11:56 PM
#15
Drifting
Thread Starter
All I can say is that they are very strong. I'm not sure if I can give out too much too soon. They can run about 3:1 (30psi) and live, so at a more usable (resonable) pressure they should be bullet proof.
We are sleeving the block on the race motor and using JE pistons to give us a better choice of ring packages. The sleeving will also increse not only power but reliability and that is very important to us. In the last month I have completed two engines with this piston/ring package, one for the street and one that will run in SCCA. The first car an 89 Turbo with no more than old APE chips and an aftermarket wastegate set at 1 bar would seriously smoke the tires at full throttle from about 35-40 mph. My car will not do this, although I have tried. <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
The second car is a cream puff daily driver of ex-military. I am driving this car now to put some miles on it. I can't lean on it too hard yet but it feels strong.
The problem is the AluSil cylinders just don't last past about 100k, sometimes less. Put a bore guage in a cylinder and check it, bet you find that it is borderline at best. We just recently got approval from PCA national that they will allow this setup in stock class Club Racing. This is a huge deal for all of you E and F guys with high mileage motors. They can be just like new and more importantly seal a well as the 911's with new P's and C's.
We are sleeving the block on the race motor and using JE pistons to give us a better choice of ring packages. The sleeving will also increse not only power but reliability and that is very important to us. In the last month I have completed two engines with this piston/ring package, one for the street and one that will run in SCCA. The first car an 89 Turbo with no more than old APE chips and an aftermarket wastegate set at 1 bar would seriously smoke the tires at full throttle from about 35-40 mph. My car will not do this, although I have tried. <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
The second car is a cream puff daily driver of ex-military. I am driving this car now to put some miles on it. I can't lean on it too hard yet but it feels strong.
The problem is the AluSil cylinders just don't last past about 100k, sometimes less. Put a bore guage in a cylinder and check it, bet you find that it is borderline at best. We just recently got approval from PCA national that they will allow this setup in stock class Club Racing. This is a huge deal for all of you E and F guys with high mileage motors. They can be just like new and more importantly seal a well as the 911's with new P's and C's.