Engine Management
02-25-2002, 08:00 PM
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Well the cost associated, since mine is toy, I'll probably try to get a set of chips after mods are complete with dyno runs.
Question: Does anyone have any experience or friends who have, with the UNICHIP?
Talked to a shop outside of Dallas last week, Unichip distributor/tuner with dyno, saying they have had great results with 951s and 911s, setting fuel maps and timing.
Question: Does anyone have any experience or friends who have, with the UNICHIP?
Talked to a shop outside of Dallas last week, Unichip distributor/tuner with dyno, saying they have had great results with 951s and 911s, setting fuel maps and timing.
02-27-2002, 04:19 PM
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I have gotten some new info about a unit made by EMS. Yes, this is the rice crowd - but they also make a universal unit (they are all hyped about the PnP unit on all the japanese tuner boards)
The universal unit is in the same vain as motec and TECIII, but it has alot more features, and alot more tunability. It is said to be able to handle any sensors (our bosch) and any engine configuration. It is suposed to do 720 dg sequential injection, and able to be adapted to DIS (distributorless)
The link is here:
<a href="http://www.aempower.com/ems.htm" target="_blank">http://www.aempower.com/ems.htm</a>
There is not much info - they are still developing it looks like, bu there is quite a stir on the supra boards: (trust the link)
<a href="http://www.supraforums.com/showthread.php?s=d99e438e5e0f0e3f7ecd85d5988c634d&threadid=10402&perpage =25&pagenumber=1" target="_blank">http://www.supraforums.com/showthread.php?s=d99e438e5e0f0e3f7ecd85d5988c634d&threadid=10402&perpage =25&pagenumber=1</a>
It looks like this could be a revolution for the rice-tuners with the plug and play, but because of thier production numbers, the prices will be lower for us....
I have done quite a bit of research, and if this comes out right, its a good thing for "from scratch" people like me....
Brendan Campion
89 928S4 5spd.
Loud, but not boosted - yet.
<img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" /> <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
The universal unit is in the same vain as motec and TECIII, but it has alot more features, and alot more tunability. It is said to be able to handle any sensors (our bosch) and any engine configuration. It is suposed to do 720 dg sequential injection, and able to be adapted to DIS (distributorless)
The link is here:
<a href="http://www.aempower.com/ems.htm" target="_blank">http://www.aempower.com/ems.htm</a>
There is not much info - they are still developing it looks like, bu there is quite a stir on the supra boards: (trust the link)
<a href="http://www.supraforums.com/showthread.php?s=d99e438e5e0f0e3f7ecd85d5988c634d&threadid=10402&perpage =25&pagenumber=1" target="_blank">http://www.supraforums.com/showthread.php?s=d99e438e5e0f0e3f7ecd85d5988c634d&threadid=10402&perpage =25&pagenumber=1</a>
It looks like this could be a revolution for the rice-tuners with the plug and play, but because of thier production numbers, the prices will be lower for us....
I have done quite a bit of research, and if this comes out right, its a good thing for "from scratch" people like me....
Brendan Campion
89 928S4 5spd.
Loud, but not boosted - yet.
<img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" /> <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
02-27-2002, 08:34 PM
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Brendan,
One of the first things I looked for when choosing an engine management system was longevity of the product. In other words, I wasn't going to use a new company or one that didn't have great durability and long term customer satisfaction.
Do you know how many companies launch an engine management system and go bankrupt or simply discontinue a line and not sell replacement parts? Lots! There are many companies that seem to have the "latest and greatest" engine management system that does everything including turning your kitchen light off if you forget. I wasn't going to shell-out $2,500+ for an unproven system and then have to buy another a year later because the company went-under or because the product didn't hold-up.
Choose an engine management system that has been around long enough to proove the longevity of their product and their company. You might get lucky. But, what if you don't?
Jim Nowak
One of the first things I looked for when choosing an engine management system was longevity of the product. In other words, I wasn't going to use a new company or one that didn't have great durability and long term customer satisfaction.
Do you know how many companies launch an engine management system and go bankrupt or simply discontinue a line and not sell replacement parts? Lots! There are many companies that seem to have the "latest and greatest" engine management system that does everything including turning your kitchen light off if you forget. I wasn't going to shell-out $2,500+ for an unproven system and then have to buy another a year later because the company went-under or because the product didn't hold-up.
Choose an engine management system that has been around long enough to proove the longevity of their product and their company. You might get lucky. But, what if you don't?
Jim Nowak
02-27-2002, 08:52 PM
#34
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I think Brendan's been doing his homework. He might end up being the first non-tuner tinkerer amongst us to break into the 500hp realm!
Besides, if we go with only 'longevity', 'durability' and 'long-term customer satisfaction' as deciding factors, then NSU, Webers and Mikunis would win hands down! Brendan's going for a bit more performance than that. Sure there's some risk, but there's risk anytime you start modifying your car.
BTW, AEM has sold more products and have more satisfied customers than all aftermarket Porsche upgrade product vendors combined! So I would say you're taking a big risk by going with Autothority, Huntley, SFR, PowerHaus, etc. (with perhaps the exception of Andial).
Besides, if we go with only 'longevity', 'durability' and 'long-term customer satisfaction' as deciding factors, then NSU, Webers and Mikunis would win hands down! Brendan's going for a bit more performance than that. Sure there's some risk, but there's risk anytime you start modifying your car.
BTW, AEM has sold more products and have more satisfied customers than all aftermarket Porsche upgrade product vendors combined! So I would say you're taking a big risk by going with Autothority, Huntley, SFR, PowerHaus, etc. (with perhaps the exception of Andial).
02-27-2002, 09:36 PM
#35
Danno,
Brendan is thinking about it but I'm actually in the process of doing the things he is researching. Devek/Ektec is in the process of building my motor and adding the Tec II system. After we get comfortable tuning the Tec II, I plan to surpercharge/intercool or twin-turbo/intercool the motor.
My 928 is a 5.4L 2-valve motor that uses 1985 1/2 944 heads, Devek cams, Extrued Honed Euro S intake, J&E 104 mm forged and coated pistons, re-drilled crank, Jet Hot coated headers, ETC., ETC.....
Jim Nowak
Brendan is thinking about it but I'm actually in the process of doing the things he is researching. Devek/Ektec is in the process of building my motor and adding the Tec II system. After we get comfortable tuning the Tec II, I plan to surpercharge/intercool or twin-turbo/intercool the motor.
My 928 is a 5.4L 2-valve motor that uses 1985 1/2 944 heads, Devek cams, Extrued Honed Euro S intake, J&E 104 mm forged and coated pistons, re-drilled crank, Jet Hot coated headers, ETC., ETC.....
Jim Nowak
02-28-2002, 03:22 AM
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How about doing the extreme intercooling that Bob Norwood did on his 1000hp+ twin-turbo Testarossa? Or his 308-based Chevy-powered dragcar? He got temperature drops of something like 240 degrees+. I think he used Motec for those engines
02-28-2002, 03:54 AM
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Danno, do you know much about the SFR/Huntley Intercooler? I've emailed them both and they both don't like to respond to emails (although SFR was nice enough to say they'll be getting to my email soon... about 2 weeks ago).
Curious about the implications on hot days (blocking radiator?) since it's a front mounted unit, and of course what kind of temperature and pressure drops I would see compared to stock.
Need to get as much power as I can off 91 octane fuel.
Curious about the implications on hot days (blocking radiator?) since it's a front mounted unit, and of course what kind of temperature and pressure drops I would see compared to stock.
Need to get as much power as I can off 91 octane fuel.
02-28-2002, 05:13 AM
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hey rage the intercooler set runs about $1500 US. Lindsey also has one for $575 that is a direct bolt on. If you go to lindsey website they are also going to release a new bigger version of the intercooler here's the web site
<a href="http://www.lindseyracting.com." target="_blank">www.lindseyracting.com.</a>
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<a href="http://www.lindseyracting.com." target="_blank">www.lindseyracting.com.</a>
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02-28-2002, 03:02 PM
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Jim N. Wrote:
[quote] Brendan,
One of the first things I looked for when choosing an engine management system was longevity of the product. In other words, I wasn't going to use a new company or one that didn't have great durability and long term customer satisfaction. <hr></blockquote>
...This is a very good idea, and I have tried to do the exact same thing...
[quote] Do you know how many companies launch an engine management system and go bankrupt or simply discontinue a line and not sell replacement parts? <hr></blockquote>
..I was not aware of very many. I know of a few vague names. Could you give them to me, just in case I might buy some used products? I would appreciate that...
[quote] Choose an engine management system that has been around long enough to proove the longevity of their product and their company. You might get lucky. But, what if you don't? <hr></blockquote>
Technically, as I have read the supra thread that I linked in the previous message, this AEM unit is actually a hardware design that has worked previously, and it is using software (the most important part - (chips are chips - software is the magic) that is licensed from a certain company and is being expanded. I do not have the specifics, but its on that 25 page thread...
Danno himself wrote:
[quote]I think Brendan's been doing his homework. He might end up being the first non-tuner tinkerer amongst us to break into the 500hp realm!<hr></blockquote>
Thanks Danno for that vote of confidence, but I have to give up the ghost. My car is a 928, as is Jim's. I do not know if you knew that or not - but to make 500hp in a 928 with boost is HELLUVALOT easier than it is in a 944. I am a non-tuner tinkerer, and I do plan on more than 500hp, but I will be "cheating" with 4 extra cylinders, and 3 extra valves.
To be true, I HAVE done hours, and hours of research while I am switching careers, and sitting in front of my computer waiting for state tests and certifications to become Southern California's latest and greatest insurance agency. I have done extensive research and taked to dozens of people about each of the big aftermarket boxes. My eyes hurt I have read so much. Personal experience is very difficult to sift thru. BullSh*t vs golden nuggets of info.
Brendan's going for a bit more performance than that. Sure there's some risk, but there's risk anytime you start modifying your car.
... True. Risk is something I a know about...After all - I am on the one driving
BTW, AEM has sold more products and have more satisfied customers than all aftermarket Porsche upgrade product vendors combined! So I would say you're taking a big risk by going with Autothority, Huntley, SFR, PowerHaus, etc. (with perhaps the exception of Andial).
With bringing no offense to any of these tuners, I do think that we have to qualify our beliefs with what Danno just said. Our porsche tuners - 944 and 928 especially, as the 911 crowd has ALOT MORE time and knowhow in thier community - are *relatively* untested as compared to the number of units and customers that say, a greddy, HKS, and EMS company has had. Infact, when I have questions, I sometimes go to people like lingenfelter, or some of the ford tuners about head work, or this computer research. They just have more customers, because there are more cars. But we have Porsches because there is not one at every stop light. (Well, there is in SoCal, but...
Ihave more to say, but am tired of typing....
[quote] Brendan,
One of the first things I looked for when choosing an engine management system was longevity of the product. In other words, I wasn't going to use a new company or one that didn't have great durability and long term customer satisfaction. <hr></blockquote>
...This is a very good idea, and I have tried to do the exact same thing...
[quote] Do you know how many companies launch an engine management system and go bankrupt or simply discontinue a line and not sell replacement parts? <hr></blockquote>
..I was not aware of very many. I know of a few vague names. Could you give them to me, just in case I might buy some used products? I would appreciate that...
[quote] Choose an engine management system that has been around long enough to proove the longevity of their product and their company. You might get lucky. But, what if you don't? <hr></blockquote>
Technically, as I have read the supra thread that I linked in the previous message, this AEM unit is actually a hardware design that has worked previously, and it is using software (the most important part - (chips are chips - software is the magic) that is licensed from a certain company and is being expanded. I do not have the specifics, but its on that 25 page thread...
Danno himself wrote:
[quote]I think Brendan's been doing his homework. He might end up being the first non-tuner tinkerer amongst us to break into the 500hp realm!<hr></blockquote>
Thanks Danno for that vote of confidence, but I have to give up the ghost. My car is a 928, as is Jim's. I do not know if you knew that or not - but to make 500hp in a 928 with boost is HELLUVALOT easier than it is in a 944. I am a non-tuner tinkerer, and I do plan on more than 500hp, but I will be "cheating" with 4 extra cylinders, and 3 extra valves.
To be true, I HAVE done hours, and hours of research while I am switching careers, and sitting in front of my computer waiting for state tests and certifications to become Southern California's latest and greatest insurance agency. I have done extensive research and taked to dozens of people about each of the big aftermarket boxes. My eyes hurt I have read so much. Personal experience is very difficult to sift thru. BullSh*t vs golden nuggets of info.
Brendan's going for a bit more performance than that. Sure there's some risk, but there's risk anytime you start modifying your car.
... True. Risk is something I a know about...After all - I am on the one driving
BTW, AEM has sold more products and have more satisfied customers than all aftermarket Porsche upgrade product vendors combined! So I would say you're taking a big risk by going with Autothority, Huntley, SFR, PowerHaus, etc. (with perhaps the exception of Andial).
With bringing no offense to any of these tuners, I do think that we have to qualify our beliefs with what Danno just said. Our porsche tuners - 944 and 928 especially, as the 911 crowd has ALOT MORE time and knowhow in thier community - are *relatively* untested as compared to the number of units and customers that say, a greddy, HKS, and EMS company has had. Infact, when I have questions, I sometimes go to people like lingenfelter, or some of the ford tuners about head work, or this computer research. They just have more customers, because there are more cars. But we have Porsches because there is not one at every stop light. (Well, there is in SoCal, but...
Ihave more to say, but am tired of typing....
02-28-2002, 03:48 PM
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Brendan,
Your right about 928 motors and their ability to get 500+ hp. Devek's car is normally aspirated and has over 500 crank hp. and 457 hp to the rear wheels on a Dyno Jet using pump gas. Can you imagine what they could get with 4 or 5 lbs of boost?
As far as the numbers of engine managment manufacturers that have gone out of business, I was warned from my engine builder as to the numbers he has seen come and go. I will try to see how many he can think of that went bankrupt and those that don't hold-up.
Jim Nowak
Your right about 928 motors and their ability to get 500+ hp. Devek's car is normally aspirated and has over 500 crank hp. and 457 hp to the rear wheels on a Dyno Jet using pump gas. Can you imagine what they could get with 4 or 5 lbs of boost?
As far as the numbers of engine managment manufacturers that have gone out of business, I was warned from my engine builder as to the numbers he has seen come and go. I will try to see how many he can think of that went bankrupt and those that don't hold-up.
Jim Nowak
