Flight_951

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by dmoffitt:
<strong>when does one part a car and take a huge loss?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">It's sometimes difficult to take the emotion out of the equation when dealing with cars. Economically, cars are generally a lousy investment. Modifying a car is probably the worst investment of all. (Speaking from experience here...) But all of the cash and effort sunk into the car at this point is considered "sunk" cost. It's gone and basically won't come back.

IMO, your decision to keep the car and proceed, or to sell, should be based on the cash outlay and effort required from this point to get you where you want to be. Only you can answer if it's still worth it to you.

I've dumped a few cars that really cost me way too much. I don't think of it as the car *beat* me though. In fact, if I dump the car, I *beat* it! Anyway, just my 2 cents. HTH. Good luck.

Russ Murphy

Hang in there dude! I assume that you have something to drive around while the 951 is down. If so, then take a break. It's not going anywhere. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Attack it when you're pumped about doing it again. Pulling the oil pan will be, what, two thirds of the way to removing the whole motor? It seems like you already have the attitude that this is an opportunity to make the thing happier/better so roll with it.

Jaxon

I agree. Take a break. <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" /> If it's as cold in NY as it is in DC, the weather alone can be very demoralizing. Hopefully you have another car to drive. Keep us posted!

Perry 951

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">when do you give up?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Never!!

Seriously... tear it down and find out what happened. Since the plugs are out and you cannot turn it over, something is broken somewhere.

Have you tried to spin it with the car out of gear? Just wondering if you have a clutch lockup. Other than that, could be a broken ring, burned up bearing, or a locked up oil pump.

Does not cost anything to tear it down and see. After that, you can decide to fix it or part it out.

Good luck!

dmoffitt

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Jaxon:
<strong>If it's as cold in NY as it is in DC, the weather alone can be very demoralizing.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">rochester ny has quite possibly some of the worst weather i've ever seen thank god the garage is heated or i would have just put a rag in the gas tank and called my insurance company about the "mysterious car fire" long ago

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Jaxon:
<strong>Hopefully you have another car to drive. Keep us posted!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">actually no, but i have very generous friends and co-workers... however i'm considering taking the approx $5-10k (max) i anticipate this project costing to finish and sinking it into a cheap reliable daily driver (hehe or maybe a 944 na lol nooooooooo) as well as space to store the 951 til i can save up some more and tear into it again. my biggest concern about that however is, if i stop now, it won't be easy to start spending time and money on the car again... desparation, frustration, and pride are my biggest motivations right now, and while i'm pretty set on finishing this, i guess i'm just part-scared and a bit uneasy about pulling the motor or at least the oil pan and seeing what there is to see..... ah well, i already have a few leads on some 2.5L both long and short blocks, worst case

Steve Lavigne

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Danno:
<strong>Does anyone have a way to snap a photo of what you see through these things? I just might have to spring for one of the electronic versions that can display on a TV screen...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">According to their faq:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">
Is it possible to attach a camera to ProVision?
Yes, it is possible to adapt both video and still cameras to ProVision by means of a C-coupler or C-mount available from quality camera shops. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">This things is priced 1/5 to 1/10 the price of other units. I think it is largely because this just uses a big batch of fibre optics to create 'pixels', whereas others are much more precise solid optical devices.

Peckster

OK, here's something to cheer you up. I met a guy last summer who said he had $90k invested in his pretty stock looking 951. That's about $60 US. Compared to that guy, you're laughing, eh?

Take a step back and don't make any decisions or beat yourself up until you find out exactly what the problem is.

I have too much invested in mine now, but I am ammortising (sp?) the cost over the many many years I figure I will enjoy it.

dmoffitt

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Peckster:
<strong>I have too much invested in mine now, but I am ammortising (sp?) the cost over the many many years I figure I will enjoy it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">that's my theory.

well, i gotta figure out what it is. i think if it's more than bearings, i'm gonna look into a 2.8 stroker kit, sorta give myself something to say "well, if i have to spend $ at least i'll have something cool to show for it" - i just can't wait to see how this thing drives when it's all done.....

tecart

well last time my motor did what you describe it was the rod bearings, check them and see, make sure you check the mic the crank, check for the #2 rod problem, dont just throw rods and mains in, you might ruin more money and time, check the crank check the journals, check all rod bearings, that will be a good start point, good luck

Ahmet

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by dmoffitt:
<strong>..."well, if i have to spend $ at least i'll have something cool to show for it"...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I usually support this too, but that's how you ended up with $20k in your car.
Ahmet &lt;--owns a 951 with a total investment of ~$6.5kish, and have new belts, hoses, brakes, engine rebuild, axles, bushings, etc. to show for it...

dmoffitt

I really don't mind having spent that, so long as I feel like i've learned something or gained some something (not necessarily even performance, but at least, confidence in something not being likely to break because its' been repalced or done right etc). I guess i'll have to tear into things soon and see where i'm at, it's just sooooo hard to find the time right now (after devoting the past 3 weeks to the car, my other obligations are calling).

thx for the support everyone!! i'll post what i find as soon as i can.

Mike B

I defintely appreciation your frustration but you really can't decide whether to throw in the towel until you know what you're faced with...

Figure out the problem and take it from there...I'm betting (hoping) it will be something inexpensive...I can't see an engine being fine one day and then not the other without significant other signs, noise and symptoms...

Best of Luck!

cruise98

Brumos has a special for an '86 turbo short block for $1,200. That is a deal. Hope it is nothing serious. Any leads yet?

xtrc

Dmoffitt

I need some help,last night after completing rebuilding my engine (8 weeks of work) I drove my car for 10 minutes just around the block everything felt ok. But this morning the engine is seized, I don't have any clue of what is going on, may be hydrolock? I did a search on sized engines and this is the closest to my situation. Dmoffitt what was the problem with your engine I just need an Idea where to begin.

Thanks

David Floyd

Hang tough, there are a lot of us that have spent way too much on our cars because we love them, just to have her bitch slap us ( I think Perry knows what I'm talking about )

I agree on taking a short break ( week or two )

Then bust back into that baby and fix her.

Best of Luck