My 2003 951 Mod Story
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Beautiful, almost brought a tear to my eye. Are the gear ratios the same in the new tranny? Are they interchangable? I ask because as you move up in hp, first is almost unusable.
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"I am wondering how the differentials in expansion rates between the grout and the aluminum block / cylinders will interact? Will the expansion differential eventually cause the grout to crack? Or, cause the block or cylinders to crack? Or, is the expansion differential between the two different materials very similar and thus no expansion / contraction related problems will show up?"
There are different grout mixtures for different types of alloys used in blocks. The hypereutectic Alusil material in our blocks actually expands a lot less than plain aluminum.
Rage2 brings up an interesting point with the steel sleeves. Enough of the original cylinders have been removed that I doubt they experience much load from combustion. So their primary purpose is to center the steel sleeves over the crank. Anything that can be done to stiffen up the cylinders and keep everything aligned will help.
Rage2, did you fill up the space around the cylinders to have them the same height as the later 3.0L blocks?
There are different grout mixtures for different types of alloys used in blocks. The hypereutectic Alusil material in our blocks actually expands a lot less than plain aluminum.
Rage2 brings up an interesting point with the steel sleeves. Enough of the original cylinders have been removed that I doubt they experience much load from combustion. So their primary purpose is to center the steel sleeves over the crank. Anything that can be done to stiffen up the cylinders and keep everything aligned will help.
Rage2, did you fill up the space around the cylinders to have them the same height as the later 3.0L blocks?
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Thanks for posting Rage, great project. Also curious about the grouting process- how much of the original space is filled and would this have much effect on cooling?
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Regarding the expansion / contraction issue, I think Danno makes a good point that the steel sleeves probably bring the ratio back to something that works well with the grout. Does the grout have enough "flex" in it to resist cracking or otherwise breaking up from the repeated heat cycles?
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Rage,
Great work but will the engine cement cause more heat retention?
Has anyone else done this before and why did you go this route as opposed to using a 3 liter block, is it because you want a high reving engine?
It seems like it will work and I look forward to more of the great videos you have shown us in the past.
Great work but will the engine cement cause more heat retention?
Has anyone else done this before and why did you go this route as opposed to using a 3 liter block, is it because you want a high reving engine?
It seems like it will work and I look forward to more of the great videos you have shown us in the past.
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Grouting doesn't have much of an affect on cooling since the grout is at the bottom of the block.
Most of the heat is generated at the top of the block/cylinder head where the combustion takes place.
Most of the heat is generated at the top of the block/cylinder head where the combustion takes place.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by David Floyd:
<strong>What did you use to block off the waterpump area when you poured the block filler and is that the only area you blocked off ?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">That's the only area that was blocked off, so the water will only be pumping from the top passage. Not sure what the machine shop used to block it when pouring.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by adrial:
<strong>What exactly is a "Rothmans 951" tranny?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Steel synchros, stronger 1st and 2nd (like the Turbo S trannies), and oil cooler.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Danno:
<strong>Rage2, did you fill up the space around the cylinders to have them the same height as the later 3.0L blocks?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I believe so, yes.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by michael2e:
<strong>how much of the original space is filled and would this have much effect on cooling?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">It won't have any effect on cooling, as the area that needs to be cooled is at the top of the cylinders. There's no need to cool the bottom of the cylinders. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Duke:
<strong>Will you use all your "old" parts for the top? Head, turbo, WG, SDS etc?
What kind of boost will you run on low quality fuel?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I'm just swapping my bottom end, so everything remains the same, head, SDS, etc. As for how much boost, right now I can run 12psi with pump fuel. With more displacement, the turbo will most likely be running in a different efficiency range at 12psi, so I won't know until I start to slowly crank the boost and find the limit. My guess will be around the 15psi range with the bigger IC and water injection.
<strong>What did you use to block off the waterpump area when you poured the block filler and is that the only area you blocked off ?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">That's the only area that was blocked off, so the water will only be pumping from the top passage. Not sure what the machine shop used to block it when pouring.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by adrial:
<strong>What exactly is a "Rothmans 951" tranny?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Steel synchros, stronger 1st and 2nd (like the Turbo S trannies), and oil cooler.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Danno:
<strong>Rage2, did you fill up the space around the cylinders to have them the same height as the later 3.0L blocks?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I believe so, yes.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by michael2e:
<strong>how much of the original space is filled and would this have much effect on cooling?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">It won't have any effect on cooling, as the area that needs to be cooled is at the top of the cylinders. There's no need to cool the bottom of the cylinders. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Duke:
<strong>Will you use all your "old" parts for the top? Head, turbo, WG, SDS etc?
What kind of boost will you run on low quality fuel?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I'm just swapping my bottom end, so everything remains the same, head, SDS, etc. As for how much boost, right now I can run 12psi with pump fuel. With more displacement, the turbo will most likely be running in a different efficiency range at 12psi, so I won't know until I start to slowly crank the boost and find the limit. My guess will be around the 15psi range with the bigger IC and water injection.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by IanM:
Now you've gotta come out West to a track day this summer...I've got to see your beast in action.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Yeh! Bring your beast out west. It'll make even more power since out here we're pretty much at sea level...
Awsome project!
Keep us posted....
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Now you've gotta come out West to a track day this summer...I've got to see your beast in action.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Yeh! Bring your beast out west. It'll make even more power since out here we're pretty much at sea level...
Awsome project!
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Rage,
I was contacted by your shop about two days ago regarding the rings and balanced rods. I'm sending another set out. I told the shop, that if they recieve the previous set, to please send them back. I'm working on another set of rods for you right now.Your pictures look great, but I thought you were going to keep this a secret until it was done!!!
Please keep me posted.
Take Care!
I was contacted by your shop about two days ago regarding the rings and balanced rods. I'm sending another set out. I told the shop, that if they recieve the previous set, to please send them back. I'm working on another set of rods for you right now.Your pictures look great, but I thought you were going to keep this a secret until it was done!!!
Please keep me posted.
Take Care!
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by John Anderson:
<strong>I was contacted by your shop about two days ago regarding the rings and balanced rods. I'm sending another set out. I told the shop, that if they recieve the previous set, to please send them back. I'm working on another set of rods for you right now.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Thanks John. Marc told me yesterday... so I'll let you know when they arrive.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by John Anderson:
<strong>Your pictures look great, but I thought you were going to keep this a secret until it was done!!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Yea, it's close enough now where I can start giving regular updates
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<strong>I was contacted by your shop about two days ago regarding the rings and balanced rods. I'm sending another set out. I told the shop, that if they recieve the previous set, to please send them back. I'm working on another set of rods for you right now.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Thanks John. Marc told me yesterday... so I'll let you know when they arrive.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by John Anderson:
<strong>Your pictures look great, but I thought you were going to keep this a secret until it was done!!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Yea, it's close enough now where I can start giving regular updates
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