plug and play stand alone ECU for the 951!
06-18-2003, 07:13 PM
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No. you can order direct from dan he will call me and ill ship it to you im just and employee for performance development- link USA. IM just spreeding the word about our new products.
06-18-2003, 07:48 PM
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ok how much then?????? for the Link 2?
why people avoid to write prices? why do we have to call overseas to just ask about the price? It is not a secret is it?
Konstantin
why people avoid to write prices? why do we have to call overseas to just ask about the price? It is not a secret is it?
Konstantin
06-18-2003, 08:13 PM
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Cause the 951 market is Cut-throat! No one wants to tell you what your buying only that is the best.
Im going to start going over to the rx-7 and supra boards, to get some real info!
Im going to start going over to the rx-7 and supra boards, to get some real info!
06-19-2003, 12:44 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by marksportcts:
<strong>Could someone enlighten me on EGas please?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">EGas = drive by wire. No throttle cable, potentiometer on the throttle pedal, servo on throttle body. Relationship between throttle pedal position and butterfly position can be changed in software. Additionally, I think the butterfly servo is able to maintain idle and their is no additional IAC.
<strong>Could someone enlighten me on EGas please?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">EGas = drive by wire. No throttle cable, potentiometer on the throttle pedal, servo on throttle body. Relationship between throttle pedal position and butterfly position can be changed in software. Additionally, I think the butterfly servo is able to maintain idle and their is no additional IAC.
06-19-2003, 01:33 AM
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I didn't know about the removal of the IAC.... EGas sounds pretty rad. The newer Porsches all have EGas...
Here's the question... how do you (a) get the cruise control to work and (b) hook something up to the pedal to determine its position.
I suppose that for (a) if the ECU supports it, you could rig up something to the current CC switches and program it to hold a particular speed after the lever has been set... that sort of programability might be asking a bit much though
Here's the question... how do you (a) get the cruise control to work and (b) hook something up to the pedal to determine its position.
I suppose that for (a) if the ECU supports it, you could rig up something to the current CC switches and program it to hold a particular speed after the lever has been set... that sort of programability might be asking a bit much though
06-19-2003, 02:20 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by rcldesign:
<strong>Here's the question... how do you (a) get the cruise control to work and (b) hook something up to the pedal to determine its position.
I suppose that for (a) if the ECU supports it, you could rig up something to the current CC switches and program it to hold a particular speed after the lever has been set... that sort of programability might be asking a bit much though</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I suppose leaving the cruise control cable and attaching a potentiometer to the cruise control linkage would solve both problems. Obviously the cruise control is implemented as software in the ECU on a car with OEM electronic throttle.
<strong>Here's the question... how do you (a) get the cruise control to work and (b) hook something up to the pedal to determine its position.
I suppose that for (a) if the ECU supports it, you could rig up something to the current CC switches and program it to hold a particular speed after the lever has been set... that sort of programability might be asking a bit much though</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I suppose leaving the cruise control cable and attaching a potentiometer to the cruise control linkage would solve both problems. Obviously the cruise control is implemented as software in the ECU on a car with OEM electronic throttle.
06-19-2003, 03:35 AM
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konstantin,
There is no secret about the cost of the Link 2. Travis can tell you the price. I do know that the Link 2 Harnesses are finished but at this point the cost is uncalculated. For those who want to wire them themselves, there ready to go, but for the ordering.
From an earlier post about the policy regarding support and the Link Harnesses, I was told that Link will give total support at no charge, to get the engine up and running, if a Link Harness is purchased. Mapping is not included, as this is normally done by the user or a selected dyno shop. Any system wired in by the user and found to be a wiring problem, the first 1 hour of support is free, then support is fee based. This is not uncommon, very typical in fact.
There is no secret about the cost of the Link 2. Travis can tell you the price. I do know that the Link 2 Harnesses are finished but at this point the cost is uncalculated. For those who want to wire them themselves, there ready to go, but for the ordering.
From an earlier post about the policy regarding support and the Link Harnesses, I was told that Link will give total support at no charge, to get the engine up and running, if a Link Harness is purchased. Mapping is not included, as this is normally done by the user or a selected dyno shop. Any system wired in by the user and found to be a wiring problem, the first 1 hour of support is free, then support is fee based. This is not uncommon, very typical in fact.
06-19-2003, 05:55 AM
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"Travis, so you are now competing with Guru Racing ?? "
Travis and I are still working together; he'll be handling installation and tech-support just like before. <img border="0" alt="[bigbye]" title="" src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" />
"ok how much then?????? for the Link 2?
why people avoid to write prices? why do we have to call overseas to just ask about the price? It is not a secret is it?"
It's that darn SoCal Tuner conspiracy again !!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
As mentioned months ago on our GURU-forums under the NewProducts:Link-EFI thread, GURU will be offering a plug & play Link-1 system that plugs directly into the stock harness. Even with Link's recent price increases due to exchange rates, I can still offer this package for around $1475 and comes bundled with:
- Link-1 EFI to plug into stock harness
- Tuning Module for quick changes
- Serial Link laptop-adaptor for datalogging, gauge-displays, and backups
- single-channel ignition-amplifier for stock coil & distributor
- printed manual, software CD and tuning-guide
It will also come with a pre-programmed map optimized for a stock 951 (very little re-programming needed for aftermarket upgrades). The large 4" conical J-pipe and K&N filter will be available separately.
My goal with the GURU Link EFI systems is for the customer to plug it in and drive off with minimal support needed. Travis and I had only about 25-minutes of contact with Link-USA when we picked up the very first 951-specific Link-1 box to land in the US. We had the car up and running the very next day and we're anticipating our customers can do the same. (compatibility issue with stock sensors came up later, but that has now been resolved).
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The other configurations with a replacement harness is available now too. I'll have to adjust GURU's pricing because at the time, I was going off their price-sheets for the generic harnesses that comes with the Link-1 and Link-2 boxes. The 951-specific harnesses are actually built in-house at Link-USA and will most likely cost more. GURU's bundled pricing will be less than a-la-carte single items ordered separately according to MSRP schedule below (US-dollars):
$ 811.00 - Link-1 ECU
$ 845.00 - Link-1 Harness
$ 1219.00 - Link-2 ECU
$ ???.?? - Link-2 Harness
$ 65.00 - serial Link laptop-adaptor
$ 250.00 - Tuning Module
$ 147.50 - Single-channel Igniter
$ 296.00 - Boost solenoid
$ 96.00 - Idle speed controller
$ 65.00 - Ballasts resistor for peak & hold injectors
Travis and I are still working together; he'll be handling installation and tech-support just like before. <img border="0" alt="[bigbye]" title="" src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" />
"ok how much then?????? for the Link 2?
why people avoid to write prices? why do we have to call overseas to just ask about the price? It is not a secret is it?"
It's that darn SoCal Tuner conspiracy again !!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
As mentioned months ago on our GURU-forums under the NewProducts:Link-EFI thread, GURU will be offering a plug & play Link-1 system that plugs directly into the stock harness. Even with Link's recent price increases due to exchange rates, I can still offer this package for around $1475 and comes bundled with:
- Link-1 EFI to plug into stock harness
- Tuning Module for quick changes
- Serial Link laptop-adaptor for datalogging, gauge-displays, and backups
- single-channel ignition-amplifier for stock coil & distributor
- printed manual, software CD and tuning-guide
It will also come with a pre-programmed map optimized for a stock 951 (very little re-programming needed for aftermarket upgrades). The large 4" conical J-pipe and K&N filter will be available separately.
My goal with the GURU Link EFI systems is for the customer to plug it in and drive off with minimal support needed. Travis and I had only about 25-minutes of contact with Link-USA when we picked up the very first 951-specific Link-1 box to land in the US. We had the car up and running the very next day and we're anticipating our customers can do the same. (compatibility issue with stock sensors came up later, but that has now been resolved).
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The other configurations with a replacement harness is available now too. I'll have to adjust GURU's pricing because at the time, I was going off their price-sheets for the generic harnesses that comes with the Link-1 and Link-2 boxes. The 951-specific harnesses are actually built in-house at Link-USA and will most likely cost more. GURU's bundled pricing will be less than a-la-carte single items ordered separately according to MSRP schedule below (US-dollars):
$ 811.00 - Link-1 ECU
$ 845.00 - Link-1 Harness
$ 1219.00 - Link-2 ECU
$ ???.?? - Link-2 Harness
$ 65.00 - serial Link laptop-adaptor
$ 250.00 - Tuning Module
$ 147.50 - Single-channel Igniter
$ 296.00 - Boost solenoid
$ 96.00 - Idle speed controller
$ 65.00 - Ballasts resistor for peak & hold injectors
06-19-2003, 10:16 AM
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why do we need a $ 845.00 - Link-1 Harness. you said the Link one is a plug and play inthe stock wire harness??
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06-19-2003, 10:56 AM
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hello
I caled Lenz but unfortunaltely today is a holiday in bavaria. Anyway I got his wife on the phone and she knows qite good the system. the price starts at 1200 EUR (1300 US$) and it depends what do you wnat to have.
ususlly the progarme and fine tune teh car in the home TUV aproved dyno, you get the real engine power on the dyno sheet (no RWHP guesses etc) and you also get a warranty on the engine.
if you wnat to have their software to program the engine by your self you do not have awarranty any more .
you can just have an extra software where you can see all the engine data but you can not change the data.
all in all the work that they do is custom work and every car is tuned individually on the home dyno by the chief.
I talked with a guy who has the lenz system in his C1 and his car is as fast as a 993c4s with sport kat exhaust etc and 300 hp.
the tetseted both cars on the Autobahn and everytime is was the same result up to 260 km/h both cars was same fast. starnge as Lenz says only 250 HP for the C1 but this guy had also some other mods (also by Lenz) in his car.
The lenz system is REALLY plug an play in the stock harness and works with the stock sensors etc.
i will call him tomorow again and ask for more infos. let me know what do you wnat to know and I will ask him. maybe I can arrange a groupe purchase if we have some interest.
Konstantin
I caled Lenz but unfortunaltely today is a holiday in bavaria. Anyway I got his wife on the phone and she knows qite good the system. the price starts at 1200 EUR (1300 US$) and it depends what do you wnat to have.
ususlly the progarme and fine tune teh car in the home TUV aproved dyno, you get the real engine power on the dyno sheet (no RWHP guesses etc) and you also get a warranty on the engine.
if you wnat to have their software to program the engine by your self you do not have awarranty any more .
you can just have an extra software where you can see all the engine data but you can not change the data.
all in all the work that they do is custom work and every car is tuned individually on the home dyno by the chief.
I talked with a guy who has the lenz system in his C1 and his car is as fast as a 993c4s with sport kat exhaust etc and 300 hp.
the tetseted both cars on the Autobahn and everytime is was the same result up to 260 km/h both cars was same fast. starnge as Lenz says only 250 HP for the C1 but this guy had also some other mods (also by Lenz) in his car.
The lenz system is REALLY plug an play in the stock harness and works with the stock sensors etc.
i will call him tomorow again and ask for more infos. let me know what do you wnat to know and I will ask him. maybe I can arrange a groupe purchase if we have some interest.
Konstantin
06-19-2003, 11:37 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">why do we need a $ 845.00 - Link-1 Harness. you said the Link one is a plug and play inthe stock wire harness??
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">As I understand it, the harness is just an option and not required, the stock harness will work.
So, price wise it's
Link 1 $1475
Idle speed controller $96
Ballast resistors $65
J-pipe $$???
Would this be a complete package to plug in and run ???? I thought the Link 1 would handle the injectors and idle speed ?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">As I understand it, the harness is just an option and not required, the stock harness will work.
So, price wise it's
Link 1 $1475
Idle speed controller $96
Ballast resistors $65
J-pipe $$???
Would this be a complete package to plug in and run ???? I thought the Link 1 would handle the injectors and idle speed ?
06-19-2003, 12:37 PM
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"As I understand it, the harness is just an option and not required, the stock harness will work."
The Link units come with an unterminated generic harness and you will have to finish the job. From the work we've seen from some end-users, this is what prompted Link to build a 951-specific harness. At this point, only the GURU-specific version of the Link-1 will plug directly into the stock harness.
I'm also going to have onboard ballasts that's switchable between low & high-impedance injectors. The stock idle-stabilizer will work with an adaptor-circuit since it requires two active signals to operate and there's only one control line coming out of the Link-1 ECU.
The Link units come with an unterminated generic harness and you will have to finish the job. From the work we've seen from some end-users, this is what prompted Link to build a 951-specific harness. At this point, only the GURU-specific version of the Link-1 will plug directly into the stock harness.
I'm also going to have onboard ballasts that's switchable between low & high-impedance injectors. The stock idle-stabilizer will work with an adaptor-circuit since it requires two active signals to operate and there's only one control line coming out of the Link-1 ECU.
06-19-2003, 12:43 PM
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I never heard of a stand alone that requires ballast resistors for injectors. I was under the impression that with a stand alone you could run whatever injectors you want. Can you expand on this please.
Thanks
I never heard of a stand alone that requires ballast resistors for injectors. I was under the impression that with a stand alone you could run whatever injectors you want. Can you expand on this please.
Thanks