Notices
944 Turbo and Turbo-S Forum 1982-1991
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Clore Automotive

Carbon build-up on pistons--what to do

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-29-2010, 09:41 PM
  #1  
eyeball kid
Racer
Thread Starter
 
eyeball kid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: brunswick md
Posts: 442
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Carbon build-up on pistons--what to do

So, head is off (header studs still attached)--thanks to everyone for advice. The car was running rich before I parked it in July. Piston #1 and 4 have noticeable carbon layers--like I can chip it off with a fingernail. I assume I had a vacuum leak which caused this.

This rebuild includes wb and boost gauges--to better monitor things, a rebuilt and upgraded turbo (Evergreen in Fla.), 3bar fpr, mbc, Vitesse chip, vacuum line replacements, ISV replaced, rebuilt TB, SFR upgraded IC, new coolant pipes, resealed AOS, LR steam vent, and some other stuff.

My questions: Is there a best way to remove the build-up? Can I move the pistons from TDC with timing belt removed (but balance shaft belt still attached), and should I consider a gasket other than the Widefire? I'm assuming I do not need to replace head studs, but I'd like that confirmed.

Am I missing something important?

Does it make sense that pistons 1 and 4 are built up while 2 and 3 are pretty clean?

Thanks

Dan
Old 09-29-2010, 10:06 PM
  #2  
Jeremy Himsel
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Jeremy Himsel's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Phoenix, AZ - NJ Runaway
Posts: 3,649
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Or..... you could leave it as is and use some seafoam a couple of times once you get it running. I typically use it on a motor prior to teardown whenever possible. I run it through my corvette about every 20K.
Old 09-29-2010, 10:10 PM
  #3  
eyeball kid
Racer
Thread Starter
 
eyeball kid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: brunswick md
Posts: 442
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Interesting. Wait you own a corvette and that's your avatar?
Old 09-29-2010, 10:21 PM
  #4  
Cory9584
Drifting
 
Cory9584's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,571
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

soak it in carb cleaner and wipe it down. Then blow it out good with compressed air especially around the rings
Old 09-30-2010, 08:35 AM
  #5  
Chris White
Addict
Rennlist Member

Rennlist Small
Business Sponsor

 
Chris White's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Marietta, NY
Posts: 7,505
Likes: 0
Received 36 Likes on 27 Posts
Default

You can use a brass brush to scrub the tops of the pistons along with shots brake cleaner. Make sure the piston rings do not get crap in them.

The carbon deposits are usually from worn valve guides/seals.
Old 09-30-2010, 08:55 AM
  #6  
Tedro951
Three Wheelin'
 
Tedro951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Indianapolis,IN
Posts: 1,408
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

+1 on the brake cleaner, but use a fan to keep air moving....I get a cough every time I go through a few cans of it. It wont hurt to rotate the crank with the TB off. The balance shafts will stay in "time" with the crank. Just be sure to set it to TDC before attempting to bolt the head down (with the cam mark lined up).
Old 09-30-2010, 10:05 AM
  #7  
jerome951
Drifting
 
jerome951's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Germantown, Maryland
Posts: 2,709
Received 63 Likes on 53 Posts
Default

I found brake cleaner didn't do much on mine. Seafoam and carb cleaner seemed to work a little better. Let them soak for a while to dissolve the crap. It was ~40 degrees in my garage when I did this so maybe a little heat might help.
Old 09-30-2010, 10:27 AM
  #8  
Tedro951
Three Wheelin'
 
Tedro951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Indianapolis,IN
Posts: 1,408
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I think its the brush that does most of the work. I really haven't found anything that works magic on carbon, except steam.
Old 09-30-2010, 10:30 AM
  #9  
Chris White
Addict
Rennlist Member

Rennlist Small
Business Sponsor

 
Chris White's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Marietta, NY
Posts: 7,505
Likes: 0
Received 36 Likes on 27 Posts
Default

OK, I should mention that if you are doing this with the engine still in place there are some more steps that you should take when cleaning the pistons – I use some very heavy grease to seal up the gap at the edges of the pistons – this will help to prevent junk from getting down into the ring. Once carp gets into the rigs it will not come out – and it will really hurt piston ring sealing. The rings have to seal against the walls AND the ring lands on the pistons. If you get a little junk under the rings they will not seal well…ever. Blowing the stuff off with compressed air can only make that worse.

My favorite cleaner is 3M brake cleaner….use ventilation or say bye bye to some brain cells!

Once done it’s a good idea to spray some cleaner down the oil drain hole with the pan plug removed. Then run a quart or two of oil down through the head once you have it bolted back on – also with the oil pan plug removed. That will flush out any crap that got down the oil returns and the antifreeze that also got into the pan when you pulled the head.
Old 09-30-2010, 11:30 AM
  #10  
Jeremy Himsel
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Jeremy Himsel's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Phoenix, AZ - NJ Runaway
Posts: 3,649
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by eyeball kid
Interesting. Wait you own a corvette and that's your avatar?
LOL, you should see my Porsche avatar on the Corvette forums.
Old 09-30-2010, 01:53 PM
  #11  
JDS968
Bannana Shine
Rennlist Member
 
JDS968's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Rochester Hills, MI
Posts: 21,055
Likes: 0
Received 334 Likes on 219 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Tedro951
I really haven't found anything that works magic on carbon, except steam.
Sooo...install water injection?

Originally Posted by Chris White
I use some very heavy grease to seal up the gap at the edges of the pistons – this will help to prevent junk from getting down into the ring.
Makes sense, but how do you get THAT out of the gap when you're finished?

Originally Posted by Jeremy Himsel
LOL, you should see my Porsche avatar on the Corvette forums.
Go on...
Old 09-30-2010, 05:12 PM
  #12  
eyeball kid
Racer
Thread Starter
 
eyeball kid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: brunswick md
Posts: 442
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Ok. Grease up and brush away with the brain melting 3m good stuff. I assume the grease, once cleaned up, just lubes the bores on start-up. Thanks for all the advice.
Old 09-30-2010, 05:52 PM
  #13  
cruise98
Three Wheelin'
 
cruise98's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 1,576
Received 24 Likes on 13 Posts
Default

I am with Jeremy on this one. Leave the carbon on the pistons alone, grease the perimeter of the pistons and stuff the holes in the block with towels while you clean the gasket surfaces only, reassemble and run some fuel injector cleaner through it. You are getting the head fixed I hope. New guides, seals etc.?



Quick Reply: Carbon build-up on pistons--what to do



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 06:03 AM.