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Old 05-03-2010, 03:04 PM
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Well while tuning my new Haltech install the boost controller went a litte haywire and we hit 25psi..ops...

Widefire gasket failed at #4 near water jacket (Sorry fgor the crappy pic), going to install LR newly designed Cometic and see what that does..

I must be getting good, it only took me 2 hours to get the head off.. dont know if thats a good thing..HAHA

Off to the shop to grab my stud puller, installing some new ARP head studs while i got it apart..
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Whats the part number on that Cometic gasket?
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Whats the part number on that Cometic gasket?
Isn't there special surface prep required for the Cometic Gasket as opposed to the Standard or Widefire gaskets?
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PN H1705SPB040S Description = 204026
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Just installed a widefire but will only limit to 15 psi. I think the cometic is the way to go for more pressure and bigger turbos.
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Well life just got a little better, looks llike im pulling hthe motor today.. Head stud just snapped...errrr When does this turn into fun agian??
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Originally Posted by Supernotch93
Well life just got a little better, looks llike im pulling hthe motor today.. Head stud just snapped...errrr When does this turn into fun agian??
DOH!
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I've been using a cometic on my car and its been good. I only run stock boost though.
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what stud snapped. maybe it wasnt gasket failure after all ????
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what stud snapped. maybe it wasnt gasket failure after all ????
Gasket failed at #4 and the #1 stud snapped closet to the Balance shaft pulley...
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def gasket lol
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Well life just got a little better, looks llike im pulling hthe motor today.. Head stud just snapped...errrr When does this turn into fun agian??
How many cycles have you had on the bolt? If you have only pulled the head a few times, one wonders if the bolts were over torqued in the past.
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The stock head gasket has higher clamping force than the wide fire ring gasket if you're running higher pressures.
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The cooling passages look very similar to the ones I just CAD designed with Cometic. I have some extra passages under the exhaust ports in my set up.

As for the special prep – it has to be SMOOTH…not necessarily machined (although that would be better) but it does have to be flat. I usually don’t recommend putting a MLS gasket on an unprepped block/head.

Sucks about the stud! The only ‘foolproof’ method to remove the studs is to TIG weld a nut to the stud, whack it hard with a hammer and then remove with an impact gun. Doing it with a hand wrench puts a ton of nonperpendicular stress on the stud – you can easily flex them until they hit the sides on the holes. How far down did it snap? You may want to be prepared to timesert the block…not fun!
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Originally Posted by Chris White
The cooling passages look very similar to the ones I just CAD designed with Cometic. I have some extra passages under the exhaust ports in my set up.

As for the special prep – it has to be SMOOTH…not necessarily machined (although that would be better) but it does have to be flat. I usually don’t recommend putting a MLS gasket on an unprepped block/head.

Sucks about the stud! The only ‘foolproof’ method to remove the studs is to TIG weld a nut to the stud, whack it hard with a hammer and then remove with an impact gun. Doing it with a hand wrench puts a ton of nonperpendicular stress on the stud – you can easily flex them until they hit the sides on the holes. How far down did it snap? You may want to be prepared to timesert the block…not fun!
It broke insdie the block right at the top of the threads I have a friend brining over his EDS machine to see if we can get it that way if not then out she has to come out and something new is going to go in

Going to try to find a shortblock for a standbay option.. Anyone got one laying around?? If so shoot me a PM... Thanks!


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