944 engine weaknesses
#46
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#47
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I remember article in Excellence about Bob Norwoods DoomII, was a 968 motor without the variocam,
ran 24 psi of boost rwhp was 743 and torque was 660ft.lbs. this was installed in a tube frame 914.
in 1998.
ran 24 psi of boost rwhp was 743 and torque was 660ft.lbs. this was installed in a tube frame 914.
in 1998.
#48
this would be the way to go, anyone know what they did to it to get that?
#49
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https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...t-500rwhp.html
some interesting reading beginning around page 7....lol.
some interesting reading beginning around page 7....lol.
#50
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...t-500rwhp.html
some interesting reading beginning around page 7....lol.
some interesting reading beginning around page 7....lol.
This is funny....
I thought you learned your lesson on your last thread on this subject:
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...t-500rwhp.html
some interesting reading beginning around page 7....lol.
I thought you learned your lesson on your last thread on this subject:
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...t-500rwhp.html
some interesting reading beginning around page 7....lol.
so once again, try not to post to this thread unless you have something positive to contribute... making fun of me while i learn about these cars isn't very nice and make the quality of this forum suffer so people leave it and go to other boards...
#53
i dont want to flame anyone but it seems like building the space shuttle for the same hp that 80tq.com got for "free" out of a junkyard in his audi i5 20vt engine.
that's all i was saying, but i'm just an uninformed student trying to learn more about this process.
that's all i was saying, but i'm just an uninformed student trying to learn more about this process.
#54
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you originally typed this:
so once again, try not to post to this thread unless you have something positive to contribute... making fun of me while i learn about these cars isn't very nice and make the quality of this forum suffer so people leave it and go to other boards...
so once again, try not to post to this thread unless you have something positive to contribute... making fun of me while i learn about these cars isn't very nice and make the quality of this forum suffer so people leave it and go to other boards...
There is no intent to make fun of anyone, especially you. What I fail to understand is that you have started several threads over the past year on the exact smae subject. Just stated slightly different.
Top builders like Chris White and Dave McGrath have went into extreme detail for you on your other threads trying to impart some of the vast knowledge these guys have learned over their many years working on the 944/951.
Now other resected members like Rogue and Sid (blown944) have done the same, but for whatever reason you choose not to listen to what any of the say...so why keep asking?
Or are you really asking for these guys advice? Or are just trying to get people to agree with your view, no matter if it is right or wrong?
If you truly are looking for insight you have but to review your old threads from Feb, April...and I believe Nov. The answers are all right there.
#55
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here you go...bolt on twin turbo kit for LS1, $7000
http://www.vengeancerd.com/cart/prod...hp?prod=APSGTO
http://www.airpowersystems.com/ls1/us_gto.htm
they say 545 to the wheels on 93 octane. looking at their graph they show a stock LS1 putting down say 275 to the wheels, where the published figure for power is 350. 275/350=.79 or 21% driveline loss. assuming nothing else is changed, 545/.79 = 690 crank.
plus this LS1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-...item414a17e146
puts you a little over $10000 with almost 700hp.
http://www.vengeancerd.com/cart/prod...hp?prod=APSGTO
http://www.airpowersystems.com/ls1/us_gto.htm
they say 545 to the wheels on 93 octane. looking at their graph they show a stock LS1 putting down say 275 to the wheels, where the published figure for power is 350. 275/350=.79 or 21% driveline loss. assuming nothing else is changed, 545/.79 = 690 crank.
plus this LS1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-...item414a17e146
puts you a little over $10000 with almost 700hp.
#56
944J,
There is no intent to make fun of anyone, especially you. What I fail to understand is that you have started several threads over the past year on the exact smae subject. Just stated slightly different.
Top builders like Chris White and Dave McGrath have went into extreme detail for you on your other threads trying to impart some of the vast knowledge these guys have learned over their many years working on the 944/951.
Now other resected members like Rogue and Sid (blown944) have done the same, but for whatever reason you choose not to listen to what any of the say...so why keep asking?
Or are you really asking for these guys advice? Or are just trying to get people to agree with your view, no matter if it is right or wrong?
If you truly are looking for insight you have but to review your old threads from Feb, April...and I believe Nov. The answers are all right there.
There is no intent to make fun of anyone, especially you. What I fail to understand is that you have started several threads over the past year on the exact smae subject. Just stated slightly different.
Top builders like Chris White and Dave McGrath have went into extreme detail for you on your other threads trying to impart some of the vast knowledge these guys have learned over their many years working on the 944/951.
Now other resected members like Rogue and Sid (blown944) have done the same, but for whatever reason you choose not to listen to what any of the say...so why keep asking?
Or are you really asking for these guys advice? Or are just trying to get people to agree with your view, no matter if it is right or wrong?
If you truly are looking for insight you have but to review your old threads from Feb, April...and I believe Nov. The answers are all right there.
all they really said was the only solution is big money, don't bother thinking outside the box, shutup, and made fun of me, discouraged me, like you are doing...
i don't need you to tell me what people said to me in the threads that i started... i started a new thread here because people (like you) can't seem to stay on topic, some kind of mcdonald's induced adhd disorder or something... this thread is about the weaknesses of the 944 engine and how to improve them... not strap on 1,000 feet of tubing and $2,000 headers and $300 shiney blue billet aluminum clamps and mounts just to get the same, less, or similar HP as $150 junkyard engine. it's their right to spend as much money as they want on the fancy tubing and blue paint but i dont interrupt their threads with useless nonsense (maybe just an offtopic question now and then) but i mean, really man, didn't your mom teach you any manners, stick to the topic... if you dont have the knowledge to contribute just stay out.
#57
here you go...bolt on twin turbo kit for LS1, $7000
http://www.vengeancerd.com/cart/prod...hp?prod=APSGTO
http://www.airpowersystems.com/ls1/us_gto.htm
they say 545 to the wheels on 93 octane. looking at their graph they show a stock LS1 putting down say 275 to the wheels, where the published figure for power is 350. 275/350=.79 or 21% driveline loss. assuming nothing else is changed, 545/.79 = 690 crank.
plus this LS1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-...item414a17e146
puts you a little over $10000 with almost 700hp.
http://www.vengeancerd.com/cart/prod...hp?prod=APSGTO
http://www.airpowersystems.com/ls1/us_gto.htm
they say 545 to the wheels on 93 octane. looking at their graph they show a stock LS1 putting down say 275 to the wheels, where the published figure for power is 350. 275/350=.79 or 21% driveline loss. assuming nothing else is changed, 545/.79 = 690 crank.
plus this LS1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-...item414a17e146
puts you a little over $10000 with almost 700hp.
it doesnt seem like the ls1 is the engine to look at when trying to improve the 944 engine...
what i'm seeing is a lot of guys doing bandages to the 944 and spending their down payments for their houses, but not going deep in the structure of the engine so you dont have to bandage it so much...
and then guys who give up on the 944 engine which makes more sense than dropping $30k to get 450hp but i would like to see if there is an out of the box way to get even more out of this engine... i think going to look at audi's, honda's, mitsubishi's, and toyota's might give us some ideas because they seem more open minded and have a larger contributing moder base and are more concerned with the numbers than if its "traditional".
just my opinions...
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Please don't rehash that thread...
If you truly seek knowledge by all means, ask away. However you best tread lightly with any inflammatory remarks toward any Member or vendors, and-or refrain from using 'any' foul langauge again, as you did several times in those other threads.
Continue...
Continue...
#60
Please don't rehash that thread...
If you truly seek knowledge by all means, ask away. However you best tread lightly with any inflammatory remarks toward any Member or vendors, and-or refrain from using 'any' foul langauge again, as you did several times in those other threads.
Continue...
If you truly seek knowledge by all means, ask away. However you best tread lightly with any inflammatory remarks toward any Member or vendors, and-or refrain from using 'any' foul langauge again, as you did several times in those other threads.
Continue...