Build your own Maf kit
08-13-2009, 10:25 PM
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Oh come on, the main issue isn't one guy or another wanting to keep anyone from trying it themselves... it just comes down to the level of effort to achieve a given goal being beyond the dedication of MOST of the owners of these cars... me..I gotz skills and like doing what I get told can't be done, but that is me...
Yes, you can adapt an off the shelf MAF to one of these cars... but it isn't necessarily easy, nor is it straight forward...
Yes I am running a MAF, YES I am running a DME, Yes I have no piggyback...
Yes I like the performance I got right up until I started blowing MORE oil out of my turbo,, hence my cars current state of togetherness..
Would I recommend my route or Rouges route to the average bear on here, NO I wouldn't because that would just result in more "I'm parting my car" threads...
Yes, you can adapt an off the shelf MAF to one of these cars... but it isn't necessarily easy, nor is it straight forward...
Yes I am running a MAF, YES I am running a DME, Yes I have no piggyback...
Yes I like the performance I got right up until I started blowing MORE oil out of my turbo,, hence my cars current state of togetherness..
Would I recommend my route or Rouges route to the average bear on here, NO I wouldn't because that would just result in more "I'm parting my car" threads...
08-13-2009, 10:28 PM
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I like playing, but then I have 4 other cars, my 951 toy has been in pieces for 2 weeks, and I could really care less when it gets back together..but I know it will be more fun once it is...
08-13-2009, 10:31 PM
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These cars have been around for over 20years... Plenty of people have experimented.
My route uses a piggy-back. Johns route also uses a piggy-back (though it is transparent and un-adjustable to the user)...
You can hook up any 0-5v signal in-place of the AFM, and using enough piggy-back, get it to 'work'.
However there are fundamental changes to the DME code that need to be made in order to make the DME truly understand a MAF sensor. Anything besides making these changes is a compromise, and will have its issues. I am not regurgitating a marketing campaign, nor am I trying to push anyone towards any particular vendor or solution. I've spent a lot of time and work understanding the DME code. And my points are based off of what I've learned and experienced.
-Rogue
My route uses a piggy-back. Johns route also uses a piggy-back (though it is transparent and un-adjustable to the user)...
You can hook up any 0-5v signal in-place of the AFM, and using enough piggy-back, get it to 'work'.
However there are fundamental changes to the DME code that need to be made in order to make the DME truly understand a MAF sensor. Anything besides making these changes is a compromise, and will have its issues. I am not regurgitating a marketing campaign, nor am I trying to push anyone towards any particular vendor or solution. I've spent a lot of time and work understanding the DME code. And my points are based off of what I've learned and experienced.
-Rogue
08-13-2009, 10:35 PM
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And if noone blows up their car and parts it out, there won't be so many cheap parts to buy on here either...
I like playing, but then I have 4 other cars, my 951 toy has been in pieces for 2 weeks, and I could really care less when it gets back together..but I know it will be more fun once it is...
I like playing, but then I have 4 other cars, my 951 toy has been in pieces for 2 weeks, and I could really care less when it gets back together..but I know it will be more fun once it is...
I'm not suggesting that people give away all their knowledge for free, but it's still funny how so many Porsche shops/specialists will take the smallest issue and blow it so waaaayyyy out of proportion as if it required quantum physics to come up with a solution or repair
08-13-2009, 10:36 PM
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These cars have been around for over 20years... Plenty of people have experimented.
My route uses a piggy-back. Johns route also uses a piggy-back (though it is transparent and un-adjustable to the user)...
You can hook up any 0-5v signal in-place of the AFM, and using enough piggy-back, get it to 'work'.
However there are fundamental changes to the DME code that need to be made in order to make the DME truly understand a MAF sensor. Anything besides making these changes is a compromise, and will have its issues. I am not regurgitating a marketing campaign, nor am I trying to push anyone towards any particular vendor or solution. I've spent a lot of time and work understanding the DME code. And my points are based off of what I've learned and experienced.
-Rogue
My route uses a piggy-back. Johns route also uses a piggy-back (though it is transparent and un-adjustable to the user)...
You can hook up any 0-5v signal in-place of the AFM, and using enough piggy-back, get it to 'work'.
However there are fundamental changes to the DME code that need to be made in order to make the DME truly understand a MAF sensor. Anything besides making these changes is a compromise, and will have its issues. I am not regurgitating a marketing campaign, nor am I trying to push anyone towards any particular vendor or solution. I've spent a lot of time and work understanding the DME code. And my points are based off of what I've learned and experienced.
-Rogue
08-13-2009, 10:50 PM
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08-13-2009, 11:44 PM
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08-14-2009, 07:54 AM
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You can hook up any 0-5v signal in-place of the AFM, and using enough piggy-back, get it to 'work'.
However there are fundamental changes to the DME code that need to be made in order to make the DME truly understand a MAF sensor. Anything besides making these changes is a compromise, and will have its issues. I am not regurgitating a marketing campaign, nor am I trying to push anyone towards any particular vendor or solution. I've spent a lot of time and work understanding the DME code. And my points are based off of what I've learned and experienced.
-Rogue
However there are fundamental changes to the DME code that need to be made in order to make the DME truly understand a MAF sensor. Anything besides making these changes is a compromise, and will have its issues. I am not regurgitating a marketing campaign, nor am I trying to push anyone towards any particular vendor or solution. I've spent a lot of time and work understanding the DME code. And my points are based off of what I've learned and experienced.
-Rogue
Thank you. That's what I've been trying to say. And with all of those piggy-backs, any time atmospheric conditions change, they have to be readjusted. Most folks who bought those for their 2.3 turbo (Fords) before it was figured out with the EEC Tuner that I knew ended up pulling them off.
On to what you are doing. I'm a bit confused. In reading the link, it looks like the MAF Translator requires a seperate aftermarket chip? Is that the case? I've noticed your sig here does not have the chip that it does in the thread you linked on the other board. Were you able to ditch it when you went to SD, or am I missing something?
08-14-2009, 12:24 PM
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On to what you are doing. I'm a bit confused. In reading the link, it looks like the MAF Translator requires a seperate aftermarket chip? Is that the case? I've noticed your sig here does not have the chip that it does in the thread you linked on the other board. Were you able to ditch it when you went to SD, or am I missing something?
The MAF Translator can be used with a factory chip. However then it is limited by the factory overboost settings, size of injectors it can scale for ect...
I've been programming my own DME for some time - using TunerPro software, and an Ostrich emulator.
I was getting tired of the little irregularities of the DME programming (especially with converting to SD). So I started working on the DME code, to understand why and fix these annoyances.
-Rogue
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09-09-2009, 08:22 PM
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http://www.maxhpkit.com/prod_scivision.htm
this is another plug and play solution.. runs pretty well, but is too small for a bigger turbo than stock...
this is another plug and play solution.. runs pretty well, but is too small for a bigger turbo than stock...
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