Notices
944 Turbo and Turbo-S Forum 1982-1991
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Clore Automotive

low oil pressure after engine rebuild...help!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-24-2007, 08:38 PM
  #16  
RajDatta
Rennlist Member
 
RajDatta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NJ
Posts: 9,732
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 14 Posts
Default

I would hook up an external guage to see how things are before I start tearing anything. Chances are, you are not getting the true reading.
Next would be OPRV. Baum Tools sells the alignment tool and its under $25 and well worth its price in weight. Try another OPRV.
Raj
Old 12-24-2007, 10:00 PM
  #17  
Ski
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Ski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Heber Springs, AR
Posts: 7,897
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

in the 86 block, you have a chromed sleeve which the OPRV goes into. This is NOT in the later blocks, hence the style change, and the seating area is different also.
Old 12-24-2007, 10:33 PM
  #18  
turboted
Racer
Thread Starter
 
turboted's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tampa
Posts: 331
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Ski
in the 86 block, you have a chromed sleeve which the OPRV goes into. This is NOT in the later blocks, hence the style change, and the seating area is different also.
Ahhh....yes, duh. No, I did not replace this sleeve. I re-installed it with new seals.
Old 12-26-2007, 07:40 AM
  #19  
333pg333
Rennlist Member
 
333pg333's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 18,926
Received 99 Likes on 82 Posts
Default

1 bar is something I never see. I start at 5 and even when hot get down to 2.5-3 min and that's in Australia. Being at 1 bar regularly doesn't sound right. What oils/visc are you using?
Old 12-26-2007, 08:59 AM
  #20  
xsboost90
Rennlist Member
 
xsboost90's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Burlington ky
Posts: 15,223
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

My mechanic shimmed the new valve and installed it for me

never heard of that. The n/a's needed the internal cooler shimmed. Not sure i would shim the OPRV since that would just lower operating pressure. Try pulling the shims out. Not sure of any shims that would go inside the cooler just a jumper w/ seals on each side.
Old 12-26-2007, 09:19 AM
  #21  
special tool
Banned
 
special tool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: limbo....
Posts: 8,599
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by xsboost90
My mechanic shimmed the new valve and installed it for me

never heard of that. The n/a's needed the internal cooler shimmed. Not sure i would shim the OPRV since that would just lower operating pressure. Try pulling the shims out. Not sure of any shims that would go inside the cooler just a jumper w/ seals on each side.

Yeah, I missed that too.
WTF?

Is he a 240z mechanic, or something?

So he shimmed a relief valve for a pump that runs 1:1 with the crank??
Dumbass alert, dude.
Old 12-26-2007, 10:48 AM
  #22  
Chris White
Addict
Rennlist Member

Rennlist Small
Business Sponsor

 
Chris White's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Marietta, NY
Posts: 7,505
Likes: 0
Received 37 Likes on 28 Posts
Default

get the 1 pc. OPV. The 3 pcs system does not like being taken apart. The piston seats in the sleeve in one orentation and the chances of you getting in back in that same position are pretty small. Sometimes it snot a problem, sometimes it is.

Get the one peice valve and you will be happy....
Old 12-26-2007, 11:02 AM
  #23  
Tom M'Guinn

Rennlist Member
 
Tom M'Guinn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Just CA Now :)
Posts: 12,567
Received 536 Likes on 287 Posts
Default

[QUOTE=turboted;4913000]
Tom - if you have a 1-pc that fits an '86 that you are willing to loan me, I'll make it worth your while. This seems like this is the best place to start based on the advice I have received so far.

QUOTE]

I'll check on Friday if no one comes up with a loaner in the meantime. If you are using a 3 piece unit now, though, it wouldn't be a waste of time or money to just buy a new 1 piece unit.
Old 12-27-2007, 08:58 AM
  #24  
turboted
Racer
Thread Starter
 
turboted's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tampa
Posts: 331
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Thanks, all. I have a loaner 1-pc valve on the way now to test with (graciously offered up by a fellow lister). I'm hopeful this will solve the problem. I'll let you all know next week, as I'm in the freezing cold midwest for the rest of my holiday break. If its going to be this cold, I wish it would at least snow a little.

Last edited by turboted; 12-27-2007 at 09:31 AM.
Old 12-27-2007, 12:57 PM
  #25  
black944 turbo
Rennlist Member
 
black944 turbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Charlotte
Posts: 4,261
Received 30 Likes on 20 Posts
Default

Mine is with others 5 bar until hot and then 3 bar when hot at idle, 1 bar seems awfly low, sorry no other advise. Good luck.
Old 12-28-2007, 12:14 AM
  #26  
Bri Bro
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Bri Bro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,384
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by turboted
Thanks, all. I have a loaner 1-pc valve on the way now to test with (graciously offered up by a fellow lister).
Did you get the aligment tool? It makes sure that the cover is aligned correctly before you put in the OPV. Without it, you run the risk of it sticking.
Old 01-06-2008, 12:38 PM
  #27  
turboted
Racer
Thread Starter
 
turboted's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tampa
Posts: 331
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

A quick update...and a few more questions.

I installed a 1-pc OPRV, which did not help. There was NO change to my oil pressure with a 1-pc valve. So, I removed the front belt covers to double check for leaks, and found a little oil seepage on the inside of the rear cover (see pic). The belts appear nice and dry...and my garage floor is dry, too (no leaking on the ground or through the belt covers). Next, I drove the car for about 15 miles with the front covers off (hoping to determine where the oil was seeping from). When I got back home, I noticed oil splatter on the underside of my hood where it sits above the belts (another pic below). So, oil is clearly making its way to belts or drive gear and getting flung up onto the hood.

Here's my first question - is this most likely indicative of a bad front main seal, a leaking sleeve-to-crank seal, or (possibly) a bad seal between the oil pump and the block? All were replaced during my rebuild. I am also willing to admit that I MAY have installed the tappered washer behind the crank pulley backwards on accident.

Second question - since I expect everything to be lightly coated in oil when I remove the crank pulley, how will I be able to determine (conclusively) where the oil is really leaking from? Should I play it safe and just replace both the front main and sleeve-to-crank seals? How can I rule out any sealing problems between the pump and the block surfaces?

Oh...and for those who questioned the shim on the 3-pc valve, it should have helped to increase oil pressure at idle. The shim, essentially a washer placed between the spring and the plunger, effectively increased the pressure of the spring and therefore increased the oil pressure required to open the valve.

TIA for any additional advice.
Attached Images   

Last edited by turboted; 01-06-2008 at 12:56 PM.
Old 01-06-2008, 02:29 PM
  #28  
ibkevin
Defending the Border
Rennlist Member

Rest In Peace
 
ibkevin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Sun Diego
Posts: 17,541
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

15 miles in 14.5psi oil press, that takes nuts.

Whats torque on the pump to crank bolt?
Old 01-06-2008, 03:00 PM
  #29  
turboted
Racer
Thread Starter
 
turboted's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tampa
Posts: 331
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ibkevin
15 miles in 14.5psi oil press, that takes nuts.

Whats torque on the pump to crank bolt?
Don't give me too much credit...I'm ballsy, but.... Oil pressure is fine once the motor starts spinning...at 2k rpm my oil pressure is 2-3 bar and rises appropriately with engine speed. It's only low at idle. Crank pulley bolt IS tight...at least 180 ft/lbs, checked it several times.
Old 01-06-2008, 04:20 PM
  #30  
KuHL 951
Hey Man
Rennlist Member

 
KuHL 951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Nor Cal, Seal Rock, OR
Posts: 16,525
Received 188 Likes on 112 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by turboted
Don't give me too much credit...I'm ballsy, but.... Oil pressure is fine once the motor starts spinning...at 2k rpm my oil pressure is 2-3 bar and rises appropriately with engine speed. It's only low at idle. Crank pulley bolt IS tight...at least 180 ft/lbs, checked it several times.

Did you check that tapered washer yet? I remember someone here had a problem after rebuild with residual oil wicking between the girdle and block when he used the Loctite 574 making it not cure correctly and cause a small leak. I'm not sure but if it was an oil pump sealing issue I don't think your problem would be constant and not be at idle only. When you aligned the oil cooler housing did you use the tool or at least the 1-piece OPRV I sent as a guide before final tightening the cover?


Quick Reply: low oil pressure after engine rebuild...help!



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 09:39 AM.