v8 ls1 vs vitesse stage 1
02-22-2007, 07:40 AM
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please post details here so everyone can see them, but I'm not just looking at performance, I'm looking at $/hp ratio and ease of installation & creation and smogability in so cal.
Originally Posted by 2bridges
944J - did not mean for post to sound ****ty...... I would really be willing to send you details.
crate engine is cool, but you can build so much more for your money. Not as easy as crate engine just order and go, but well worth consideration.
400HP (wheel) is very easiy attained while keeping most street manners in a small block chevy. No exotic, one off parts, just readily available aftermarket stuff.
Since you are in CA I would carefully consider impacts. With my cam choice I suspect my have emmision issue at idle. If serous consideration for v8 route - go talk to local machinist that does higher end or race motors. You will likely find a wealth of information availaible right there.
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crate engine is cool, but you can build so much more for your money. Not as easy as crate engine just order and go, but well worth consideration.
400HP (wheel) is very easiy attained while keeping most street manners in a small block chevy. No exotic, one off parts, just readily available aftermarket stuff.
Since you are in CA I would carefully consider impacts. With my cam choice I suspect my have emmision issue at idle. If serous consideration for v8 route - go talk to local machinist that does higher end or race motors. You will likely find a wealth of information availaible right there.
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yes ski - please share link if you find - would not mind reading.
-can buy mountains of square tubing/welding wire/gas for $1000
02-22-2007, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 944J
please post details here so everyone can see them, but I'm not just looking at performance, I'm looking at $/hp ratio and ease of installation & creation and smogability in so cal.
02-22-2007, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 944J
been thinking about the v8's in 944's:
cons - loose power steering, ac, power brakes, pain in the *** to convert to v8, and is it really cost effective to do this, is it street legal and smogable in california?
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cons - loose power steering, ac, power brakes, pain in the *** to convert to v8, and is it really cost effective to do this, is it street legal and smogable in california?
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A stock LS1 with LT headers makes 320-330 rwhp, and 340-350 board-flat rwtq, through a 951 trans.
02-22-2007, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DVC
Just a few corrections; the LSX swap retains the power steering and A/C (in fact you can utilize GM components) but looses the vacuum booster for the brakes. There are now several solutions to the power brake issue.
A stock LS1 with LT headers makes 320-330 rwhp, and 340-350 board-flat rwtq, through a 951 trans.
A stock LS1 with LT headers makes 320-330 rwhp, and 340-350 board-flat rwtq, through a 951 trans.
02-22-2007, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by special tool
A stock LS1 with LT headers will make close to 400 crank HP?
02-22-2007, 08:17 PM
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Intresting topic.....considering I have a Vitesse Stage 2 and I'm just about to do an LS6(with custom headersand a tune) conversion! Hoping for 360rwhp and realibility!
I have nothing but good things to say about John and Vitesse but I want more reliable and usable HP/TQ. I'm tired of dealing with oil leaks! I'll have a lightly used Vitesse stage 2 kit for sale, complete with Turbo,maf, piggyback, injectors and Innovative wideband kit with less than 2000 miles on it.
So back on topic........if money is an issue go with Vitesse. If you want something unique and want the low end grunt of a V* do a conversion. Once you've driven a 944 LS1 or LS6 it's hard to get back into a Turbo.
I have nothing but good things to say about John and Vitesse but I want more reliable and usable HP/TQ. I'm tired of dealing with oil leaks! I'll have a lightly used Vitesse stage 2 kit for sale, complete with Turbo,maf, piggyback, injectors and Innovative wideband kit with less than 2000 miles on it.
So back on topic........if money is an issue go with Vitesse. If you want something unique and want the low end grunt of a V* do a conversion. Once you've driven a 944 LS1 or LS6 it's hard to get back into a Turbo.
02-22-2007, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by VRSTAGE2
Intresting topic.....considering I have a Vitesse Stage 2 and I'm just about to do an LS6(with custom headersand a tune) conversion! Hoping for 360rwhp and realibility!
I have nothing but good things to say about John and Vitesse but I want more reliable and usable HP/TQ. I'm tired of dealing with oil leaks! I'll have a lightly used Vitesse stage 2 kit for sale, complete with Turbo,maf, piggyback, injectors and Innovative wideband kit with less than 2000 miles on it.
So back on topic........if money is an issue go with Vitesse. If you want something unique and want the low end grunt of a V* do a conversion. Once you've driven a 944 LS1 or LS6 it's hard to get back into a Turbo.
I have nothing but good things to say about John and Vitesse but I want more reliable and usable HP/TQ. I'm tired of dealing with oil leaks! I'll have a lightly used Vitesse stage 2 kit for sale, complete with Turbo,maf, piggyback, injectors and Innovative wideband kit with less than 2000 miles on it.
So back on topic........if money is an issue go with Vitesse. If you want something unique and want the low end grunt of a V* do a conversion. Once you've driven a 944 LS1 or LS6 it's hard to get back into a Turbo.
02-22-2007, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 944J
what is the total price for each?
My LS6 conversion is going to be closer to $17000, but that is for a brand new engine, all accesorries, computer, harness, headers etc.
If you do the conversion yourself and you bought a used ls1 you could do it for about $10000.
02-22-2007, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by VRSTAGE2
Well if you include the wategate, exhaust, injectors etc. which is needed to get around 340rwhp I'd say your looking at around $5500.
My LS6 conversion is going to be closer to $17000, but that is for a brand new engine, all accesorries, computer, harness, headers etc.
If you do the conversion yourself and you bought a used ls1 you could do it for about $10000.
My LS6 conversion is going to be closer to $17000, but that is for a brand new engine, all accesorries, computer, harness, headers etc.
If you do the conversion yourself and you bought a used ls1 you could do it for about $10000.
how much of the v8 stuff is the parts and adapters for the transplant?
02-22-2007, 09:35 PM
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so its cheaper to go with vitesse but the v8 torque is a bonus...
Turbo any day for me.
02-22-2007, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by VRSTAGE2
Well if you include the wategate, exhaust, injectors etc. which is needed to get around 340rwhp I'd say your looking at around $5500.
My LS6 conversion is going to be closer to $17000, but that is for a brand new engine, all accesorries, computer, harness, headers etc.
If you do the conversion yourself and you bought a used ls1 you could do it for about $10000.
My LS6 conversion is going to be closer to $17000, but that is for a brand new engine, all accesorries, computer, harness, headers etc.
If you do the conversion yourself and you bought a used ls1 you could do it for about $10000.
02-22-2007, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by sweanders
Yup, more torque up until the moment the turbo spools. Ever compared dyno plots on a 951 and any N/A engine?
Turbo any day for me.
Turbo any day for me.