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11-07-2006, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by C. Beau
"bad brakes"....I guess just b/c one is a forum junkie it doesn't mean they know A-THING about cars other than their own 20 yr. old hoopty....and more pathetically info. not only readily available in print media but WELL publicized......and the "gold chain" comment, only a bama in $7k Audi Porsche.
Its sad to see Porsche enthusiasm morphed into unknowing babble...."Amrican cars don't handle, can't brake and have plastic interiors"....whatever dude
Its sad to see Porsche enthusiasm morphed into unknowing babble...."Amrican cars don't handle, can't brake and have plastic interiors"....whatever dude
Case in point the thread about the kid asking about his modded 951 vs his friends modded galant vr4.
People just kept posting up bull**** like "you'll pull him up top" "those things fall on their faces at 120 plus" ect yada yada yada.
all bull****. Fact is most people only study whats in their little world and don't know much outside of it. This isint just porsche people this is the car community at large. I find myself very different from most because im a true auto enthusaist and I love cars. Especially sports cars regardless of the badge on the hood.
*edit* I wanted to add if anyone has any doubts about the new zo6 feel free to look me up locally. I could setup a nice run for you. then maybe the track junkies can take one around MSR and spank the **** outta there 996 like it was left for dead.
11-07-2006, 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by C. Beau
"bad brakes"....I guess just b/c one is a forum junkie it doesn't mean they know A-THING about cars other than their own 20 yr. old hoopty....and more pathetically info. not only readily available in print media but WELL publicized......and the "gold chain" comment, only a bama in $7k Audi Porsche.
Z06s are awesome all the way around and have more technology in them and engineering grunt behind them than about anyhting out there.
Unconventional and it works......look at the leaf springs that would make most 951s go back country trying to follow.
Its sad to see Porsche enthusiasm morphed into unknowing babble...."Amrican cars don't handle, can't brake and have plastic interiors"....whatever dude
the most incredible thing about a Z06...and all C6s for that matter...is the amount of money GM loses selling them at MSRP just to be in the segment at that price point....money losing proposition that can't last forever so get one while you can and have $70k car that will vaporize 95% of the Porsche on the road
Z06s are awesome all the way around and have more technology in them and engineering grunt behind them than about anyhting out there.
Unconventional and it works......look at the leaf springs that would make most 951s go back country trying to follow.
Its sad to see Porsche enthusiasm morphed into unknowing babble...."Amrican cars don't handle, can't brake and have plastic interiors"....whatever dude
the most incredible thing about a Z06...and all C6s for that matter...is the amount of money GM loses selling them at MSRP just to be in the segment at that price point....money losing proposition that can't last forever so get one while you can and have $70k car that will vaporize 95% of the Porsche on the road
With all your respects my friend, I think most of this "forum yunkie" have express a great deal of apprecieation and respect for this car. It is a great sport car!
but it is not everyones cup of tea. Their is nothing highly technical about the ZO6. It is simply a case of power-to-weght ratio. 505 Bhp on a 3000 pound car. iti is a no brainer, specially if it comes from 7 liters of pushrod American V8. If you ask me, engine wise, the Mazdaspeed 3 is more advance then the ZO6. Chassis, wise, using aluminun is nothing new nor is fiber glass.
So you see, The ZO6 is extremely fast because of its big motor and light chassis. That is it. no magic. no secret their. I do have to give a thumbs up to the GM people how put such a car on the road for very little money.
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11-07-2006, 01:36 AM
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From Joe:
"In fact if there wasn't such a stigma of the mid life crisis guy buying a vette to satisfy himself, I might buy one."
That's exactly the reason I didn't buy one.
Although, Joe, you're young looking enough, that you're not in that category............LOL
I was in the market in the spring when I lost my last 951.
I have to admit I like the new ZO6, but after weighing everything up, I ended up going back to a 951.
It's actually unbelievable that I would pick a 20 year old car over a modern, reasonably priced, ultra fast sports car. But an ultra clean 951 where one has the pride of building up and engineering themselves, is a more unique ride.
Beside, chicks might roll their eyes at a vette (driver), but not necessarily the 951.
It's all about chicks and cars, baby.............LOL
"In fact if there wasn't such a stigma of the mid life crisis guy buying a vette to satisfy himself, I might buy one."
That's exactly the reason I didn't buy one.
Although, Joe, you're young looking enough, that you're not in that category............LOL
I was in the market in the spring when I lost my last 951.
I have to admit I like the new ZO6, but after weighing everything up, I ended up going back to a 951.
It's actually unbelievable that I would pick a 20 year old car over a modern, reasonably priced, ultra fast sports car. But an ultra clean 951 where one has the pride of building up and engineering themselves, is a more unique ride.
Beside, chicks might roll their eyes at a vette (driver), but not necessarily the 951.
It's all about chicks and cars, baby.............LOL
11-07-2006, 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by C. Beau
"bad brakes"....I guess just b/c one is a forum junkie it doesn't mean they know A-THING about cars other than their own 20 yr. old hoopty....and more pathetically info. not only readily available in print media but WELL publicized......and the "gold chain" comment, only a bama in $7k Audi Porsche.
Originally Posted by C. Beau
Z06s are awesome all the way around and have more technology in them and engineering grunt behind them than about anyhting out there.
Unconventional and it works......look at the leaf springs that would make most 951s go back country trying to follow.
Unconventional and it works......look at the leaf springs that would make most 951s go back country trying to follow.
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Originally Posted by C. Beau
Its sad to see Porsche enthusiasm morphed into unknowing babble...."Amrican cars don't handle, can't brake and have plastic interiors"....whatever dude
Originally Posted by C. Beau
the most incredible thing about a Z06...and all C6s for that matter...is the amount of money GM loses selling them at MSRP just to be in the segment at that price point....money losing proposition that can't last forever so get one while you can and have $70k car that will vaporize 95% of the Porsche on the road
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11-07-2006, 02:12 AM
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Yeah, GM has not been so hot a co. latlely....but has as much to do with consumer finance arm issues than making good cars.....in case you don't know......OEM mfg.s are more finance co.s than anything else and when they foul up the numbers game they fall on thier face and can't do the R&D, mkting etc. to have a full line of competitive cars. Harley Davidson has a larger market cap than GM. "Biggest car mfg in the world" is a revenue based measure, the co. is worth squat, big debt, wobbley balance sheet..etc. etc....but what this gets the car enthusiast is the opporunity of a lifetime to buy a master piece at below cost as they scramble to retain some sports car props by producing cars like the Z06 and selling far far below cost...and oh yeah..factory supporting the likes of the ALMS GT2 effort that beat every car in the LMP2 class above it at LeMans this year where the Penske Spyders were mystertiously absent...coincidence...think not. And if Lou Gilotti wasn't saddled with weight penalty after weight he would have walked all over the whole field in Speed GT with his home built Vette.
As for the referenced brake disintegration in the ALMS car....if anybody thinks that an ALMS Vette shares one nut or screw of commonality to the braking system of a stock car...well...can I get the number of your crack dealer please.
Power to weight is certainly the underlying brew of the Z06's potent formula, but again believe 1/2 of what you see and none of what you hear, the Z06 body is full of advanced multidirectional carbon panels.
As for leaf springs....who else has stuck to an idea of their original engineering papradigm and successfully withstood decades of the test of time on the street and track?....Porsche (VW under Ferry) has arguably with low sitting horizontally opposed motors but even they abondoned their air cooled montra when they couldn't find a way to make it work any longer...probably smart.....could have made it work but not in a financially feasible way, Porsche is the most profitable car company in the world and told the US capital markets / NYSE to take a hike just before a planned US public offering after Sarbanes Oxley took effect..."thanks but no thanks...don't need your countries liquidity with so many strings attached".....GM is for sure in big trouble and LBO king Carl Icahn and other sharks are circling.
My point....b/c of their troubles you can get an awesome awesome car for well under production costs b/c of those troubles...and....you very palinly & simply don't know know what you're talking about saying a Z06 has no tech and is no good....check out lap record for street cars at Nurburgring....if that isn't a Porsache in your face I don't know what is.
I am a life long 951 and many other Porsche model die hard....have worked as an auto industry investment banker and on legal and finance side for hi profile intl. pro racing concerns..... lets keep it real for real car people...please.....and not profess to know about what we are clueless.
I will say... a lot of folks on here are very very knowing of 951s to the nth degree and I have gleened gobs of very useful info from tham....thanks
As for the referenced brake disintegration in the ALMS car....if anybody thinks that an ALMS Vette shares one nut or screw of commonality to the braking system of a stock car...well...can I get the number of your crack dealer please.
Power to weight is certainly the underlying brew of the Z06's potent formula, but again believe 1/2 of what you see and none of what you hear, the Z06 body is full of advanced multidirectional carbon panels.
As for leaf springs....who else has stuck to an idea of their original engineering papradigm and successfully withstood decades of the test of time on the street and track?....Porsche (VW under Ferry) has arguably with low sitting horizontally opposed motors but even they abondoned their air cooled montra when they couldn't find a way to make it work any longer...probably smart.....could have made it work but not in a financially feasible way, Porsche is the most profitable car company in the world and told the US capital markets / NYSE to take a hike just before a planned US public offering after Sarbanes Oxley took effect..."thanks but no thanks...don't need your countries liquidity with so many strings attached".....GM is for sure in big trouble and LBO king Carl Icahn and other sharks are circling.
My point....b/c of their troubles you can get an awesome awesome car for well under production costs b/c of those troubles...and....you very palinly & simply don't know know what you're talking about saying a Z06 has no tech and is no good....check out lap record for street cars at Nurburgring....if that isn't a Porsache in your face I don't know what is.
I am a life long 951 and many other Porsche model die hard....have worked as an auto industry investment banker and on legal and finance side for hi profile intl. pro racing concerns..... lets keep it real for real car people...please.....and not profess to know about what we are clueless.
I will say... a lot of folks on here are very very knowing of 951s to the nth degree and I have gleened gobs of very useful info from tham....thanks
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I dont think any body said that the ZO6 is no good. On a racing front, I think we can all agree that lately most racing series are becaming some what bais. With all those weght and restrictor penaltis to even the field.
any way I found this to be very informative:
Nordschleife excluding GP track, 20.6 kms:
www.nurburgring.org.uk/map.jpg
6:55* -- 178.699 km/h -- Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (sep,28 05),
http://www.radicalextremesportscars....0905/index.php
http://www.radicalextremesportscars....ring/index.php
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/video_g...ap_record.html (*street-legal only in the UK)
7:12* -- 173.600 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03) (*mfr.)
7:14.89 172.181 km/h – Donkervoort D8 270 RS, , 350 PS/600 kg, Michael Düchting (nov,6 05), http://autoweek.nl/newsdisp.php?cache=no&ID=4199
7:15.63 169.311 km/h -- Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simons (sport auto 09/05), http://www.edo-competition.de/filead...eife_runde.avi
http://www.chpltd.com/911_porsche_wo...ngmeister.html
7:18.01 170.236 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Duechting, sport auto 12/2004, >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=13957
7:19* -- 168.929 km/h -- Radical SR3 1500 Turbo, Phil Bennet (jun,15 03) (*mfr.), http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/new...iefe/index.php ,
www.radicalsportscars.com/gallery/ring2b.mpg
7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Roehrl,(Autobild 07/04)
7:32* -- 164.071 km/h – Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/ 1230 kg, (*mfr.) www.autodrome-cannes.com/index-eng.asp
7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, definitive time Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/04)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 01) , www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html
7:33 --- 163.708 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/ 1371 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto 05/06),
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=83550
7:34 --- 163.586 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), oct,17-18 05, http://www.koenigsegg.com/news/artic...age=&type=news, http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=75219
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (02)
7.39* -- 161.575 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:39 --- 161.575 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg, http://www.koenigsegg.com/news/artic...age=&type=news
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=44953
7:39.39 161.219 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Röhrl (AutoBild 02/06)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1495 kg, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/03)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/04), http://www.manthey-motors.de/nextsho...pdf.asp?id=217
7:42* -- 160.519 km/h – Ford GT, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa (04) (according to dailysportscar.net)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h – Porsche 997 GT3 RS, 415 PS/1420 kg (*mfr.)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (02)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h -- Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05), http://www.supercars.net/Pics?vpf2=y...ID=1384471&l=d
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Roehrl (MOTOR magazine)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- TechArt Porsche GT Street, 620 PS/1453 kg, (sport auto 08/02)
7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)
7:44 --- 159.828 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S, 555 PS/1388 kg (sport auto 07/02)
7:45 --- 159.484 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600, 600hp (00)
7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- McLaren F1, *estimated lap time from a video available at www.pistonheads.tv
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Jaguar XJ220, John Walton (EVO magzine 07/00), www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/docs/evo-0007-7.jpg
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (sport auto 99)
7:47 --- 158.801 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381 PS (sport auto 03/04)
7:48 --- 158.463 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg (sport auto 07/06) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=91836
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h – BMW X5 Le Mans, 700 PS/~2000 kg, Hans-Joachim Stuck
http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....1F288808EB&p=0
7.49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3, 392 PS (AutoBild 2004), http://www.autobild.de/tuning/testbe...rtikel_seite=4
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 PS/1207 kg (sport auto 02/99)
7:49.72 157.885 km/h -- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (93) (moto bike)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- BMW E46 M3 CSL, 360 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 08/03) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=92447
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/02)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Westfield Super 7 with Hayabusa engine, >>> http://nurburgring.free.fr/Vids/Bren...x504_1_350.avi
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h – Ford GT, 550 PS/1599 kg (sport auto 02/06)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (sport auto 95)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear, 493 PS/1496 kg (sport auto 12/03) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=92447
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/04)
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, (sport auto 03/05), >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=27415
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/03)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/00)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h – Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=67305
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 PS/1387 kg (sport auto 02/04)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)
7:56* - 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z06 ,company chief engineer Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:56.50 155.594 km/h -- Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.65 155.569 km/h – Lamborghini Gallardo SE, 520 PS/1560 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.73* 155.569 km/h -- Honda NSX-R (*Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion", lap not complete)
7:57 --- 155.472 km/h -- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600PS/1558 kg (sport auto 05/98)
7:58 --- 156.652 km/h -- Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI, 420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05) http://www.8200rpm.com/forum/read.ph...16841&t=16841\
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59* -- 154.822 km/h -- Chevrolet C6 Z51, company test driver Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 97)
7:59.41 154.690 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi spec.C "prototype" (2004), www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:01.72 153.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:02 --- 153.858 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Sport”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 04)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h – Aston Martin V8 Vantage, 385 PS/1636 kg, Pirelli P Zero Corsa (sport auto 10/05)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h -- Porsche 911 GT3, 360 PS/1391 kg (sport auto 08/99)
8:04 --- 153.223 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo GT, 575 PS/1620 kg (sport auto 07/00)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1, 580 PS/1820 kg (sport auto 12/02)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino “Standard”, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, 355PS/1461kg (sport auto 05/05), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=36440
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Ruf CTR, http://www.lad.lv/~martini/porsche/V...rburgring1.wmv
8:06 --- 152.592 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/02)
8:06.01 152.589 km/h -- Subaru WRX Sti C-spec (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:07 --- 152.279 km/h -- Ferrari 550 Maranello, 485 PS/1724 kg (sport auto 06/98)
8:07.76 152.041 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg, Prinz Luitpold von Bayern (AutoBild 02/06)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h – Audi RS4, 420 PS/1728 kg (sport auto 06/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=87373
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg (sport auto 12/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=63338
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Honda NSX-R, 320 PS/1467 kg (sport auto 08/02)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Modena , 400 PS/1464 kg (sport auto 10/99)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo SV, 520 PS/1590 kg (sport auto 12/97)
8:10 --- 151.114 km/h -- Aston Martin V8 Vantage (Top Gear 02/05)
8:10 --- 151.114 km/h -- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411 PS/1567 kg (sport auto 10/97)
8:10 --- 151.347 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 180R, 210 PS/650 kg (sport auto 03/01)
8:10.75 151.265 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi Version III sedan (1996), www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:11 --- 151,274 km/h -- Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (Best Motoring video 14)
8:11* -- 151,274 km/h -- Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1340 kg, test driver Walter Roehrl (*mfr.) (sport auto 07/05)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1651 kg (sport auto 04/02)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo (sport auto 03/97)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo works tuning (sport auto 06/97)
8:33 --- 150.426 km/h – Aston Martin V8 Vantage, 385 PS/1636 kg, Bridgestone Potenza RE 50 (sport auto 10/05)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg (sport auto 12/04) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=13956
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS/1324 kg (sport auto 05/99)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 hp (sport auto, 10/04)
8:14 --- 150.120 km/h -- Mercedes SL 65 AMG, 612 PS/2049 kg (sport auto 01/05), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=23337
8:14.98 149.824 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma Evo VIII GSR MR 8 (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h – BMW Z4 M Roadster, 343 PS/1485 kg, http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/driven/..._roadster.html
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Alpina Roadster S, 300 PS/1416 kg (sport auto 6/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=44295
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Corvette C6, 404 PS/1491 kg (sport auto 08/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=46738
8:15* -- 149.818 km/h -- Holden GTS (00), *estimated
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera 2, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 hp
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 PS (sport auto 11/97)
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer V8 Topster, 450 PS/1557kg (sport auto 01/05) http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=18724
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- Aston Martin DB9, 457hp (sport auto 11/04) http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=10114
8:16.15 149.471 km/h -- Honda NSX (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Aston Martin V12 Vanquish, 515 PS/1775 kg (sport auto 01/03)
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Porsche 911 Carrera, 320 PS/1399 kg (sport auto 06/01)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- BMW Z8, 400PS/1651 kg (sport auto 08/00)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS (sport auto 09/2003)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 06/97)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Maserati GranSport, 400 PS/1672 kg (sport auto 09/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=50624
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- Audi RS6, 400 PS/ 1815 kg (sport auto 03/01)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- BMW M3 E36, 321 hp (Autocar magazine 1997)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- Porche 993 GT3, Walter Roehrl (Car magazine 10/99)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M Coupe, 321 PS/1445 kg (sport auto 10/98)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- Mercedes-Benz C55 (sport auto07/2004)
8:22.38 147.617 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R32 GTR (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7 GT, 442 PS/1833 kg (sport auto 07/03)
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 280 PS/1426 kg (sport auto 04/06)
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera 4, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 01/02)
8:24 --- 147.143 km/h -- Mercedes SLK 55 AMG, 360PS/1566kg (sport auto 04/05), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=31462
8:24 --- 147.143 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (sport auto 05/04)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Audi RS4, 375 PS/1675 kg (sport auto 10/00)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Corvette Callaway C12, 400 PS/1564 kg (sport auto 04/99)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Maybach 57 S, 612 PS/2835 kg http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen...tikel_id=11912
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 11/99)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (sport auto 11/02)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1412 kg (sport auto 11/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=2&tID=104908
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h – BMW 335i Coupé, 306 PS/1610 kg (sport auto 10/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=2&tID=101881
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG, 354 PS/1480 kg (sport auto 05/01)
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Nissan 350Z, 280 PS/1526 kg (sport auto 10/03)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- BMW E49 M5, 400PS/1833 kg (sport auto 03/99)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera 2, 285 PS/1452 kg (sport auto 01/98)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche Carrera Cabrio (sport auto 04/97)
8:28.93 145.690 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX sedan (1992) www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG, 347 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 05/00)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Audi S4 4.2 Avant, 344 PS/1826 kg (sport auto 11/03)
8:30 --- 145.412 km/h -- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa, 320 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 10/02)
8:31.--- 145.130 km/h -- 2006 CADILLAC STS-V, 440PS/1948 kg, www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=101519
8:31.42 145.008 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (sport auto 04/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0si coupe, 265 PS/1408 kg (sport auto 08/06) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=95212
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 192hp (sport auto 08/04)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS/1410 kg (sport auto 09/97)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG, 231 PS/1396 kg (sport auto 05/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 252 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 12/99)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Volkswagen Golf R32 Mk. IV, 250 PS
8:33.80 144.336 km/h -- Honda NSX (6-speed) Coupe, 276 PS (Top Gear magazine)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 04/01)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS (sport auto 04/04)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW 130i, 258 PS/1350 kg (Road & Track)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW M3 SMG E36, 321 PS/1515 kg (sport auto 03/97)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé, 426 PS/1635 kg (sport auto 02/02)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS
8:35.93 143.740 km/h – Opel Astra OPC, 240 PS/1355 kg, Manuel Reuter (mfr., oct,05) record holder compact class
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (sport auto 07/99)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Performance Kit, 363 PS/1703 kg (sport auto 09/00)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Porsche Boxster ´03, 228 PS/1370 kg (sport auto 02/03)
8:36.42 143.604 km/h -- BMW M3 EVO, 321hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Maserati 3200GT, 370 PS/1614 kg (sport auto 09/02)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/01)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo, 218 PS/1290 kg (sport auto 03/00)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.0 (sport auto 07/91)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- VW Golf R32 (sport auto 02/03)
8:37.10 143.415 km/h -- Nissan GTR V, 350 pS (Top Gear maagzine)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8, 400 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 12/98)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.2, 280 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 08/97)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL500, 306 PS/1852 kg (sport auto 12/01)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Renault Megane Sport Trophy “sport auto” edition, 225PS/1371 kg (sport auto 6/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=40016
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296hp
8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Honda S2000, 240 PS/1275 kg (sport auto 01/00)
8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Morgan Aero 8, 286 PS/1193 kg (sport auto 04/03)
8:40 --- 142.615 km/h -- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40 --- 142.615 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic, 344 PS/1505 kg (sport auto 07/97)
8:40.30 142.615 km/h – Bentley Continental GT, 560 PS/2385 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
8:41 --- 142.342 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7, 420 PS/1847 kg (sport auto 01/99)
8:41 --- 142.342 km/h -- Audi S3, 210 PS/1489 kg (sport auto 06/99)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Audi S4, 265 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 08/98)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Audi TT 1.8 quattro w. ESP, 225 PS/1461 kg, (sport auto 07/01)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- BMW Alpina B3 3.3, 280 PS/1495 kg (sport auto 07/99)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 179 PS/796 kg, (sport auto 11/00)
8:43 --- 141.797 km/h -- Honda Integra Type R (sport auto 12/00)
8:44.83 141.303 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Coupe, 339 PS, automatic (Top Gear magazine)
8:46 --- 140.989 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
8:47 --- 140.721 km/h -- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS/1246 kg (sport auto 11/01)
8:48.25 140.388 km/h -- Porsche 911 Carrera, 285 PS (Top Gear magazine)
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Coupe, 363 PS/1703 kg (sport auto 07/98)
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h -- Renault Clio Sport V6, 226 PS/1381 kg (sport auto 07/01)
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h -- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 PS/1461 kg (sport auto 11/98)
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h – VW Golf V R32, 250 PS/1591 kg (sport auto 09/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=98039
8:50 --- 139.925 km/h -- BMW Alpina B10 3.2, 260 PS/1600 kg (sport auto 04/98)
8:50* -- 139.925 km/h -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (sport auto ??/00)
8:51 --- 139.661 km/h -- Alfa Romeo 156 GTA, 231 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 05/02)
8:51* -- 139.661 km/h -- Ford Focus ST, 225 PS/1330 kg (sport auto 09/05) (*mfr.)
8:51 --- 139.661 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG, 306 PS/1571 kg (sport auto 12/01)
8:52 --- 139.398 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 430, 279 PS/1564 kg (sport auto 09/01)
8:52 --- 139.529 km/h -- VW Golf GTI DSG, 200 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 11/05)
8:54 --- 138.897 km/h -- Porsche Boxster, 204 PS/1325 kg (sport auto 01/97)
8:54 --- 138.932 km/h -- VW Golf GTI 25th Anniversary, 180 hp, 1320 kg (sport auto 01/02)
8:55 --- 134.579 km/h -- Mini Cooper S Works, 200 hp (sport auto ??/04)
8:58 --- 133.829 km/h -- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (sport auto 07/97)
9:05* -- 136.073 km/h -- Ford Focus RS, 215 PS/1355 kg (sport auto 09/05)(*mfr.)
9:07 --- 135.576 km/h -- Mercedes SLK 230, 195 PS/1356 kg (sport auto 05/01)
9:07 --- 135.576 km/h -- AMG Mercedes SLK 230 compressor (sport auto 05/99)
9:09 --- 135.802 km/h --VW Golf V6 4Motion, 204 PS/1455 kg (sport auto 01/02)
10:08 -- 121.973 km/h --Ford Transit, 136 PS/??? Kg, Sabine Schmitz (Top Gear TV, jul,10 05)
11:00 -- 110.885 km/h -- Karmann Colorad RS, 298 PS/???, Sabine Schnitz (07/06)
Ok here is a good question
How can a 997 GT3 that weights 75 Kg more(1319 vs 1395), that has 85 Bhp less(500 vs 415), from a engine that is about have the size(7L vs 3.6L), that has smaller rolling stock( tires), be as fast or faster than ZO6?
For that you need very clever engineering, and for the people who can afford it well worth the extra 30 grand.
What do you guys think?
Regards,
AL
any way I found this to be very informative:
Nordschleife excluding GP track, 20.6 kms:
www.nurburgring.org.uk/map.jpg
6:55* -- 178.699 km/h -- Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (sep,28 05),
http://www.radicalextremesportscars....0905/index.php
http://www.radicalextremesportscars....ring/index.php
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/video_g...ap_record.html (*street-legal only in the UK)
7:12* -- 173.600 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03) (*mfr.)
7:14.89 172.181 km/h – Donkervoort D8 270 RS, , 350 PS/600 kg, Michael Düchting (nov,6 05), http://autoweek.nl/newsdisp.php?cache=no&ID=4199
7:15.63 169.311 km/h -- Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simons (sport auto 09/05), http://www.edo-competition.de/filead...eife_runde.avi
http://www.chpltd.com/911_porsche_wo...ngmeister.html
7:18.01 170.236 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Duechting, sport auto 12/2004, >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=13957
7:19* -- 168.929 km/h -- Radical SR3 1500 Turbo, Phil Bennet (jun,15 03) (*mfr.), http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/new...iefe/index.php ,
www.radicalsportscars.com/gallery/ring2b.mpg
7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Roehrl,(Autobild 07/04)
7:32* -- 164.071 km/h – Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/ 1230 kg, (*mfr.) www.autodrome-cannes.com/index-eng.asp
7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, definitive time Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/04)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 01) , www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html
7:33 --- 163.708 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/ 1371 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto 05/06),
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=83550
7:34 --- 163.586 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), oct,17-18 05, http://www.koenigsegg.com/news/artic...age=&type=news, http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=75219
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (02)
7.39* -- 161.575 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:39 --- 161.575 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg, http://www.koenigsegg.com/news/artic...age=&type=news
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=44953
7:39.39 161.219 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Röhrl (AutoBild 02/06)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1495 kg, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/03)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/04), http://www.manthey-motors.de/nextsho...pdf.asp?id=217
7:42* -- 160.519 km/h – Ford GT, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa (04) (according to dailysportscar.net)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h – Porsche 997 GT3 RS, 415 PS/1420 kg (*mfr.)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (02)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h -- Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05), http://www.supercars.net/Pics?vpf2=y...ID=1384471&l=d
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Roehrl (MOTOR magazine)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- TechArt Porsche GT Street, 620 PS/1453 kg, (sport auto 08/02)
7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)
7:44 --- 159.828 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S, 555 PS/1388 kg (sport auto 07/02)
7:45 --- 159.484 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600, 600hp (00)
7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- McLaren F1, *estimated lap time from a video available at www.pistonheads.tv
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Jaguar XJ220, John Walton (EVO magzine 07/00), www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/docs/evo-0007-7.jpg
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (sport auto 99)
7:47 --- 158.801 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381 PS (sport auto 03/04)
7:48 --- 158.463 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg (sport auto 07/06) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=91836
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h – BMW X5 Le Mans, 700 PS/~2000 kg, Hans-Joachim Stuck
http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....1F288808EB&p=0
7.49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3, 392 PS (AutoBild 2004), http://www.autobild.de/tuning/testbe...rtikel_seite=4
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 PS/1207 kg (sport auto 02/99)
7:49.72 157.885 km/h -- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (93) (moto bike)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- BMW E46 M3 CSL, 360 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 08/03) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=92447
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/02)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Westfield Super 7 with Hayabusa engine, >>> http://nurburgring.free.fr/Vids/Bren...x504_1_350.avi
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h – Ford GT, 550 PS/1599 kg (sport auto 02/06)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (sport auto 95)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear, 493 PS/1496 kg (sport auto 12/03) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=92447
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/04)
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, (sport auto 03/05), >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=27415
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/03)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/00)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h – Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=67305
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 PS/1387 kg (sport auto 02/04)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)
7:56* - 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z06 ,company chief engineer Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:56.50 155.594 km/h -- Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.65 155.569 km/h – Lamborghini Gallardo SE, 520 PS/1560 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.73* 155.569 km/h -- Honda NSX-R (*Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion", lap not complete)
7:57 --- 155.472 km/h -- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600PS/1558 kg (sport auto 05/98)
7:58 --- 156.652 km/h -- Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI, 420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05) http://www.8200rpm.com/forum/read.ph...16841&t=16841\
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59* -- 154.822 km/h -- Chevrolet C6 Z51, company test driver Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 97)
7:59.41 154.690 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi spec.C "prototype" (2004), www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:01.72 153.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:02 --- 153.858 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Sport”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 04)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h – Aston Martin V8 Vantage, 385 PS/1636 kg, Pirelli P Zero Corsa (sport auto 10/05)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h -- Porsche 911 GT3, 360 PS/1391 kg (sport auto 08/99)
8:04 --- 153.223 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo GT, 575 PS/1620 kg (sport auto 07/00)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1, 580 PS/1820 kg (sport auto 12/02)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino “Standard”, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, 355PS/1461kg (sport auto 05/05), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=36440
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Ruf CTR, http://www.lad.lv/~martini/porsche/V...rburgring1.wmv
8:06 --- 152.592 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/02)
8:06.01 152.589 km/h -- Subaru WRX Sti C-spec (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:07 --- 152.279 km/h -- Ferrari 550 Maranello, 485 PS/1724 kg (sport auto 06/98)
8:07.76 152.041 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg, Prinz Luitpold von Bayern (AutoBild 02/06)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h – Audi RS4, 420 PS/1728 kg (sport auto 06/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=87373
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg (sport auto 12/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=63338
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Honda NSX-R, 320 PS/1467 kg (sport auto 08/02)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Modena , 400 PS/1464 kg (sport auto 10/99)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo SV, 520 PS/1590 kg (sport auto 12/97)
8:10 --- 151.114 km/h -- Aston Martin V8 Vantage (Top Gear 02/05)
8:10 --- 151.114 km/h -- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411 PS/1567 kg (sport auto 10/97)
8:10 --- 151.347 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 180R, 210 PS/650 kg (sport auto 03/01)
8:10.75 151.265 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi Version III sedan (1996), www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:11 --- 151,274 km/h -- Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (Best Motoring video 14)
8:11* -- 151,274 km/h -- Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1340 kg, test driver Walter Roehrl (*mfr.) (sport auto 07/05)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1651 kg (sport auto 04/02)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo (sport auto 03/97)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo works tuning (sport auto 06/97)
8:33 --- 150.426 km/h – Aston Martin V8 Vantage, 385 PS/1636 kg, Bridgestone Potenza RE 50 (sport auto 10/05)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg (sport auto 12/04) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=13956
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS/1324 kg (sport auto 05/99)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 hp (sport auto, 10/04)
8:14 --- 150.120 km/h -- Mercedes SL 65 AMG, 612 PS/2049 kg (sport auto 01/05), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=23337
8:14.98 149.824 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma Evo VIII GSR MR 8 (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h – BMW Z4 M Roadster, 343 PS/1485 kg, http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/driven/..._roadster.html
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Alpina Roadster S, 300 PS/1416 kg (sport auto 6/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=44295
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Corvette C6, 404 PS/1491 kg (sport auto 08/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=46738
8:15* -- 149.818 km/h -- Holden GTS (00), *estimated
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera 2, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 hp
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 PS (sport auto 11/97)
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer V8 Topster, 450 PS/1557kg (sport auto 01/05) http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=18724
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- Aston Martin DB9, 457hp (sport auto 11/04) http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=10114
8:16.15 149.471 km/h -- Honda NSX (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Aston Martin V12 Vanquish, 515 PS/1775 kg (sport auto 01/03)
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Porsche 911 Carrera, 320 PS/1399 kg (sport auto 06/01)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- BMW Z8, 400PS/1651 kg (sport auto 08/00)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS (sport auto 09/2003)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 06/97)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Maserati GranSport, 400 PS/1672 kg (sport auto 09/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=50624
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- Audi RS6, 400 PS/ 1815 kg (sport auto 03/01)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- BMW M3 E36, 321 hp (Autocar magazine 1997)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- Porche 993 GT3, Walter Roehrl (Car magazine 10/99)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M Coupe, 321 PS/1445 kg (sport auto 10/98)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- Mercedes-Benz C55 (sport auto07/2004)
8:22.38 147.617 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R32 GTR (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7 GT, 442 PS/1833 kg (sport auto 07/03)
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 280 PS/1426 kg (sport auto 04/06)
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera 4, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 01/02)
8:24 --- 147.143 km/h -- Mercedes SLK 55 AMG, 360PS/1566kg (sport auto 04/05), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=31462
8:24 --- 147.143 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (sport auto 05/04)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Audi RS4, 375 PS/1675 kg (sport auto 10/00)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Corvette Callaway C12, 400 PS/1564 kg (sport auto 04/99)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Maybach 57 S, 612 PS/2835 kg http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen...tikel_id=11912
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 11/99)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (sport auto 11/02)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1412 kg (sport auto 11/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=2&tID=104908
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h – BMW 335i Coupé, 306 PS/1610 kg (sport auto 10/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=2&tID=101881
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG, 354 PS/1480 kg (sport auto 05/01)
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Nissan 350Z, 280 PS/1526 kg (sport auto 10/03)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- BMW E49 M5, 400PS/1833 kg (sport auto 03/99)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera 2, 285 PS/1452 kg (sport auto 01/98)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche Carrera Cabrio (sport auto 04/97)
8:28.93 145.690 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX sedan (1992) www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG, 347 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 05/00)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Audi S4 4.2 Avant, 344 PS/1826 kg (sport auto 11/03)
8:30 --- 145.412 km/h -- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa, 320 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 10/02)
8:31.--- 145.130 km/h -- 2006 CADILLAC STS-V, 440PS/1948 kg, www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=101519
8:31.42 145.008 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (sport auto 04/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0si coupe, 265 PS/1408 kg (sport auto 08/06) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=95212
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 192hp (sport auto 08/04)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS/1410 kg (sport auto 09/97)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG, 231 PS/1396 kg (sport auto 05/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 252 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 12/99)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Volkswagen Golf R32 Mk. IV, 250 PS
8:33.80 144.336 km/h -- Honda NSX (6-speed) Coupe, 276 PS (Top Gear magazine)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 04/01)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS (sport auto 04/04)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW 130i, 258 PS/1350 kg (Road & Track)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW M3 SMG E36, 321 PS/1515 kg (sport auto 03/97)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé, 426 PS/1635 kg (sport auto 02/02)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS
8:35.93 143.740 km/h – Opel Astra OPC, 240 PS/1355 kg, Manuel Reuter (mfr., oct,05) record holder compact class
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (sport auto 07/99)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Performance Kit, 363 PS/1703 kg (sport auto 09/00)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Porsche Boxster ´03, 228 PS/1370 kg (sport auto 02/03)
8:36.42 143.604 km/h -- BMW M3 EVO, 321hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Maserati 3200GT, 370 PS/1614 kg (sport auto 09/02)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/01)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo, 218 PS/1290 kg (sport auto 03/00)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.0 (sport auto 07/91)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- VW Golf R32 (sport auto 02/03)
8:37.10 143.415 km/h -- Nissan GTR V, 350 pS (Top Gear maagzine)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8, 400 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 12/98)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.2, 280 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 08/97)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL500, 306 PS/1852 kg (sport auto 12/01)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Renault Megane Sport Trophy “sport auto” edition, 225PS/1371 kg (sport auto 6/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=40016
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296hp
8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Honda S2000, 240 PS/1275 kg (sport auto 01/00)
8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Morgan Aero 8, 286 PS/1193 kg (sport auto 04/03)
8:40 --- 142.615 km/h -- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40 --- 142.615 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic, 344 PS/1505 kg (sport auto 07/97)
8:40.30 142.615 km/h – Bentley Continental GT, 560 PS/2385 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
8:41 --- 142.342 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7, 420 PS/1847 kg (sport auto 01/99)
8:41 --- 142.342 km/h -- Audi S3, 210 PS/1489 kg (sport auto 06/99)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Audi S4, 265 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 08/98)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Audi TT 1.8 quattro w. ESP, 225 PS/1461 kg, (sport auto 07/01)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- BMW Alpina B3 3.3, 280 PS/1495 kg (sport auto 07/99)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 179 PS/796 kg, (sport auto 11/00)
8:43 --- 141.797 km/h -- Honda Integra Type R (sport auto 12/00)
8:44.83 141.303 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Coupe, 339 PS, automatic (Top Gear magazine)
8:46 --- 140.989 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
8:47 --- 140.721 km/h -- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS/1246 kg (sport auto 11/01)
8:48.25 140.388 km/h -- Porsche 911 Carrera, 285 PS (Top Gear magazine)
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Coupe, 363 PS/1703 kg (sport auto 07/98)
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h -- Renault Clio Sport V6, 226 PS/1381 kg (sport auto 07/01)
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h -- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 PS/1461 kg (sport auto 11/98)
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h – VW Golf V R32, 250 PS/1591 kg (sport auto 09/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=98039
8:50 --- 139.925 km/h -- BMW Alpina B10 3.2, 260 PS/1600 kg (sport auto 04/98)
8:50* -- 139.925 km/h -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (sport auto ??/00)
8:51 --- 139.661 km/h -- Alfa Romeo 156 GTA, 231 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 05/02)
8:51* -- 139.661 km/h -- Ford Focus ST, 225 PS/1330 kg (sport auto 09/05) (*mfr.)
8:51 --- 139.661 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG, 306 PS/1571 kg (sport auto 12/01)
8:52 --- 139.398 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 430, 279 PS/1564 kg (sport auto 09/01)
8:52 --- 139.529 km/h -- VW Golf GTI DSG, 200 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 11/05)
8:54 --- 138.897 km/h -- Porsche Boxster, 204 PS/1325 kg (sport auto 01/97)
8:54 --- 138.932 km/h -- VW Golf GTI 25th Anniversary, 180 hp, 1320 kg (sport auto 01/02)
8:55 --- 134.579 km/h -- Mini Cooper S Works, 200 hp (sport auto ??/04)
8:58 --- 133.829 km/h -- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (sport auto 07/97)
9:05* -- 136.073 km/h -- Ford Focus RS, 215 PS/1355 kg (sport auto 09/05)(*mfr.)
9:07 --- 135.576 km/h -- Mercedes SLK 230, 195 PS/1356 kg (sport auto 05/01)
9:07 --- 135.576 km/h -- AMG Mercedes SLK 230 compressor (sport auto 05/99)
9:09 --- 135.802 km/h --VW Golf V6 4Motion, 204 PS/1455 kg (sport auto 01/02)
10:08 -- 121.973 km/h --Ford Transit, 136 PS/??? Kg, Sabine Schmitz (Top Gear TV, jul,10 05)
11:00 -- 110.885 km/h -- Karmann Colorad RS, 298 PS/???, Sabine Schnitz (07/06)
Ok here is a good question
How can a 997 GT3 that weights 75 Kg more(1319 vs 1395), that has 85 Bhp less(500 vs 415), from a engine that is about have the size(7L vs 3.6L), that has smaller rolling stock( tires), be as fast or faster than ZO6?
For that you need very clever engineering, and for the people who can afford it well worth the extra 30 grand.
What do you guys think?
Regards,
AL
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11-07-2006, 03:05 AM
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Porsche always performed to the highest standards when it comes to performance, starting from the old man's days at Auto Union, to the 50's,60's,70's etc.etc. Fact.
11-07-2006, 03:13 AM
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OK = so now we're from the "car is a piece of junk" to it isn't up to a 997 GT3, which by date, the car there isn't even a US model the first of which hit the US shores in the last month
And...it does appear that the 997 referenced is an unqualified - self reported time
The 997 in front of the Z06 is a RS.....find one here and I'll give you a dollar and a Frito
You all are funny, a Z06 is no joke and cost 70k, yeah the time is w/ a big time pro driver but still...come on....we went from the car is a piece of shiyaaat w/ no brakes to lap times w/ half million dollar v10 Carrera GTs and sundry exotics
One of this year's vette LeMans drivers - Max Papis - is a personal friend of mine and I worked with him in the glory days of IMSA when he won LeMans and the 36 hours of Florida in the Ferrari 333SP, he drives a US spec Z06 as one of his personal cars and he will tell you that for a street car it is one of the best out price notwithstanding......can we please just tell the guy who said a Z06 couldn't brake and was a POS that he hasn't a clue and move on?
But then again...I do like the banter.....keep it rollin' so I have something to look at and laugh
And...it does appear that the 997 referenced is an unqualified - self reported time
The 997 in front of the Z06 is a RS.....find one here and I'll give you a dollar and a Frito
You all are funny, a Z06 is no joke and cost 70k, yeah the time is w/ a big time pro driver but still...come on....we went from the car is a piece of shiyaaat w/ no brakes to lap times w/ half million dollar v10 Carrera GTs and sundry exotics
One of this year's vette LeMans drivers - Max Papis - is a personal friend of mine and I worked with him in the glory days of IMSA when he won LeMans and the 36 hours of Florida in the Ferrari 333SP, he drives a US spec Z06 as one of his personal cars and he will tell you that for a street car it is one of the best out price notwithstanding......can we please just tell the guy who said a Z06 couldn't brake and was a POS that he hasn't a clue and move on?
But then again...I do like the banter.....keep it rollin' so I have something to look at and laugh
11-07-2006, 04:29 AM
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Everyone here agrees that the ZO6 is an awesome machine.... we even corrected our own about the 'brakes' issue.
What exactly do you have to prove?
Go troll somewhere else.
Rogue
What exactly do you have to prove?
Go troll somewhere else.
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11-07-2006, 10:16 AM
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Have to prove you're a fool....lucky you don't meet me in my 951 at the track much less one of my more endowed breeds......someone talked smack about what they knew not about....why candy coat it and try and make it something else??
11-07-2006, 10:28 AM
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Dollar for dollar....the Corvette ZO6 can kick the **** out of any Porsche.
Dollar for Dollar you are talking C6 ZO6 vs. a Cayman S.....LOL!!!!! not much of a race there...on any track.
Carrera GT you ask???? Put 350K into a ZO6 and see what kind of car you have and still cheaper than a GT.
Stop and really think about that. Buy a C6 ZO6 and then take it to the top Corvette tuners in the country and give them a check for $350,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have a nice day
Dollar for Dollar you are talking C6 ZO6 vs. a Cayman S.....LOL!!!!! not much of a race there...on any track.
Carrera GT you ask???? Put 350K into a ZO6 and see what kind of car you have and still cheaper than a GT.
Stop and really think about that. Buy a C6 ZO6 and then take it to the top Corvette tuners in the country and give them a check for $350,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have a nice day
11-07-2006, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by toddk911
Dollar for dollar....the Corvette ZO6 can kick the **** out of any Porsche.
Dollar for Dollar you are talking C6 ZO6 vs. a Cayman S.....LOL!!!!! not much of a race there...on any track.
Carrera GT you ask???? Put 350K into a ZO6 and see what kind of car you have and still cheaper than a GT.
Stop and really think about that. Buy a C6 ZO6 and then take it to the top Corvette tuners in the country and give them a check for $350,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have a nice day
Dollar for Dollar you are talking C6 ZO6 vs. a Cayman S.....LOL!!!!! not much of a race there...on any track.
Carrera GT you ask???? Put 350K into a ZO6 and see what kind of car you have and still cheaper than a GT.
Stop and really think about that. Buy a C6 ZO6 and then take it to the top Corvette tuners in the country and give them a check for $350,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have a nice day
I see it in a different way, buy a audi/vw 951 for 5k let supa toooner do his magic and for less than what a toyota corolla cost, supa toona's car will put bus lenghts between a C6 Z06 and the 951, is all about boost.
Let me add, that I have not run against a C6 Z06 and I can imaging that i will leave me in the dust, but so far I have not encounter a C5 Z06 that will outrun me in a linear race.
11-07-2006, 11:30 AM
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I agree but that route is going for ANY car and just sup it up.
I was trying to keep it retail, new car dollar for dollar performance.
"it's all about boost"
AMEN!! and a twin turbo set up and race suspension on a Z06 will be in Porsche 917 levels
I was trying to keep it retail, new car dollar for dollar performance.
"it's all about boost"
AMEN!! and a twin turbo set up and race suspension on a Z06 will be in Porsche 917 levels
