TRWright

I only read the first 40 posts or so, and don't have time to read the rest of the thread. Here is the honest truth, guys:

Everyone loves to save money, but in this world you get what you pay for. Go ahead and try a 'cheaper' alternative. I did this in the beginning with software. Because I cheaped out and tried to save money, the end result was much more expensive.

Porschefile

More power to those that just want to buy something that works and not be bothered with details.

Okay, I'm going to take back some of my prior comments. I will NEVER buy a Vitesse turbo, and I guess I ultimately could care less about the specs in regards to them because of this. I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE PRICE! I'm not on a budget and don't care what I spend! I just want the best. All I've heard is hearsay about Vitesse turbos outperforming GT turbos, but I've yet to see any actual proof. I've seen plenty of proof on various forums that the new GT series turbos ARE all they're cracked up to be, and do out perform the older "T" series. Are Vitesse turbos worth the price? Personally I think they are, so no argument there. My friend has had a good experience with the stage3, and I was impressed, however I want more. What's wrong with this? I want to go a different route, and very few have experimented with the GT series on Porsches in general. If everyone around here simply leaves the "knowledge" to the vendors then we will have to rely on them for everything, and this limits the 951 aftermarket IMO.

Our cars were originally designed to be state of the art for their time, and were all about performance/technology when new. Personally, I would think this would attract like-minded individuals with similar demands. I've seen a startling number of people from the 951 forum with a lack of desire for TODAY's state of the art technology, performance, and technical knowledge. I would think more of us would be interested in these things, as they only further improve the quality of our aftermarket and the technical knowledge available to our community. Those who don't want to understand these things will just have to live with being told how it is by those in the know. On a final note, soylent green is people.

streckfu's

I'm not getting into the merits of this thread but just a brief comment on this. Unfortunately, the 944/51 were more budget than top of the line performance. All of the 911 and 928 series cars were higher tier than the 944 series. Porsche intentionally underacheived so as to not cut into the performance of the other vehicles.

333pg333

On a final note, soylent green is people. [/QUOTE]
That's funny...

porshhhh951

again i think this thread is kinda pointless.

you will always have to pay more for a product that is specifically designed with out platform in mind that buying some generic product that can work with any car. Everyone knows thats just the way it works.

testarossa_td

And now for something completely different...

fast951

Wow, this thread keeps going..... and going.....

Guys, it's simple.. The VR line of turbos are not cheap, and are not for everyone! They are simply for someone wanting the best for the 951. Few vendors (I know exactly who they are, and I was not surprised) already tried to reverse engineer them. One instance the guy had the wrong turbo LOL, the second instance they had the correct turbo, just didn't get it (which is good).

For those than want a less expensive turbo, we offer that too. Nothing wrong with being on a budget.

The entry level turbos will be something you can get from ANY vendor. T04 whatever flavor you wish, you can even spec it out.. It'll be the same *unmodified components) that you get from various vendors..

There is room for everyone at VR.

kasturbo

Can someone point me in the direction of all the Vitesse dyno charts. I'm not intrested in anything from ST, because I don't believe for a second that his car is comparable to anyone's on this board. I want charts from cars that are running real world boost levels on a 2.5 on pump gas. I'm also not interested unless you can prove your boost level. Where is the backup to all this talk?

Until I see it, I won't believe that my Super61 kit at a third the cost won't compare to the Vitesse kits. I have 0 traction in the first three gears with 285's in the rears. Would I pay an extra 3k for 30 more hp after knowing how my car feels now? No way in hell.

Lart can you back me on this? Our setups are the same.

fast951

Kevin, the dyno charts are on the web site, from St and others.. Where on earth did you get the price structure, please elaborate on this (in full details if possible).

Would you be kind enough to share some information with us:

- What RPM do you make 1psi boost, 15psi boost? What was the outside temp?
- If you have a data logger, would you record the time it takes for your turbo to recover between shifts.
- What is the backpressure at 15psi & 20psi
- Do you have a dyno chart you can show us

Of course, anyone running a VR S3 (fine tuned), is welcome to share the same data.

kasturbo

Sorry, John I meant to say at half the cost. Someone early posted that it was going to be 5k for their kit. I just saw that you are selling it for $3700.

I see the dyno charts, but where is the boost curve on the charts proving the boost levels? The numbers look good, but not out of the question for any other tuners setups. I'm looking for Lart's and my chart now to compare.

Again, ST's charts do nothing for comparison unless you can show me the charts of someone else that is also running your WS, Head, cam and such. There isn't any.

I'm not bashing anyone, just trying to turn this back into a technical thread to do real comparisons instead of doing the he said she said thing.

fast951

Kevin, I hit the ENTER button too early, I edited my earlier message.

fast951

Please explain how you came to this conclusion regarding the price?

Landjet

One comment for you all. LR and John (Vitesse) are wonderful people to deal with and have done great things to keep our cars up and coming with new products and getting what you pay for. You can appreciate them after you have spent enough to buy a house with a vender that can't even deliver a working product and is suppose to be the best. Bob Norwood comes to mind, but thats a whole other story and yes first hand experience. Just be happy we have these guys (enthusiast) giving us options for a car we enjoy that is over 20 years old. I hope they are still doing this for many more years.

kasturbo

Your website says that your kits are $3700. Are they not now? Either way, I was wrong on my first post. I paid $1900 for my Lindsey kit.

kasturbo

Here is my chart. This was before any tunning and with my old Guru Chips. Note: that because of the chips I was maxing out my maf at 4k rpms. This is the reason the power is so low.

Either way the boost is hitting 15psi at 3500 rpms. Not bad for a car that hasn't been tunned at all.

I have a data logger and can get the rest of the information once I head back to the dyno with a tunned car.